Pedals or amp?

[VitaminG]

Intriguing. But what kind of Marshall? Lawyer-burst Plexi or Aquanet 800?

I don't know, man. I'm not that smart, tone-wise. I just like the way mine sounds.

Plenty of pro reviews of it on YouTube too

[Larz]

My Boogie ain't a Marshall either, and I'm pretty happy about that.
Although my cheap 50W valve state hybrid or whatever its called gives me some semblance of a Marshall sound if I want it.

Seriously, would you miss the shit out of your Mesa at some point, such that keeping it and saving for the Marshall too becomes an option and get the wife something nice along the way?

What about the Marshall pedals? Would they do anything with your current amp? Never played around with those at all.

[chrisolson]

Which Mesa do you have? I had an F-100 that sounded pretty Marshall-y when I dropped the gain a bit and hit it with a stock Boss SD-1. I kinda miss that combination.

You could just do the right thing though and buy a Randall RM-100 and fix all your problems... Get tired of an amp? Spend $150-200 and have a whole 'nother amp. The guys modding them really do some special shit to those modules too...

[emperor_black]

Which Mesa do you have?

That was my first question. but looking at his avatar, and if its his amp, looks like a Mark III.

I just got a Mark IV and having played with EL-34 amps all my guitar-life, I did not like the simul-class at first. But my mk iv came with 2 6L6's and 2 EL-34's. I've found a thick JP type tone in Class A and triode/full-power.

Yeah, you could drive the front with a OD pedal. I'm going straight into the amp with X2N equipped Jacksons. I've been a gain-whore all my life and I feel there's enough gain for me with this combination.

I played for a year in a band with a Line 6 Uber metal + MXR 10 band eq + BBE sonic stomp into a Carvin TS100 (EL-34) power amp. Once I compared that tone with the Mark IV, the setup does sound crappy. But at ear-shattering levels it sounded allrite.

[Grandturk]

Alright - lets be clear:

- My Boogie is a Mk 2A - I am very happy with it. It's just not a Marshall. Its got plenty of chutzpa to hang and play whatever I want - its just not a Marshall.

- Its not a money thing, "saving" isn't going to help. If I wanted a Plexi, I'd buy a Plexi. Its a "space" thing as in the missus thinks 7 guitars, two amps and two dogs are quite enough for a 1 bedroom apartment.

Now, the Randall intrigues me - but how much is "model" and how much is "tube" - how can they emulate a Marshall JCM 800 preamp with only two tubes? Don't make sense to me. I already have modelers...

[toxikdeth]

You know what just get a splawn

[chrisolson]

Now, the Randall intrigues me - but how much is "model" and how much is "tube" - how can they emulate a Marshall JCM 800 preamp with only two tubes? Don't make sense to me. I already have modelers...

Only two? No...

4 poweramp tubes
3 more preamp tubes - I know one is for the loop, the other two are somehow connected to the preamp, but I can't explain how...
2 preamp tubes per module

Ask Pete (Twister Amps) about these. He's forgotten more about them than most people will ever know and can give you the details. jgcable might be able to as well. All I know is that they ROCK.

**EDIT*** Found it...

"The power section includes a quartet of Slovakian JJ 6L6GC valves plus a trio of ECC83S bottles that, in order, represent the first gain stage of the preamp section, a valve buffer for both effects loops, and a phase inverter."

[Grandturk]

"The power section includes a quartet of Slovakian JJ 6L6GC valves plus a trio of ECC83S bottles that, in order, represent the first gain stage of the preamp section, a valve buffer for both effects loops, and a phase inverter."

That makes sense then - so there's more than just the 2 that are in the module.

[bombtek]

Is this just like a Metal Zone?

Not in the least.

Take a look at one on Ebay and look and see how many different settings you might be able to pull off. All of those switches and knobs do something unlike a lot of pedals. If you can't find a tone you like from this pedal......then there is no pedal you're gonna like.

[bombtek]

Here, these reviews are pretty good. I don't usually use HC reviews when researching gear as most of them seem to be owners of new gear spouting off about how good it is even if it might be a piece of trash.

http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Effects/product/Biyang/Metal+End/10/1

Trust me, this pedal is the real deal. It is awesome. Each and every metal tone out there.....it is in this box. You just have to find it.

[VitaminG]

Not in the least.

Take a look at one on Ebay and look and see how many different settings you might be able to pull off. All of those switches and knobs do something unlike a lot of pedals. If you can't find a tone you like from this pedal......then there is no pedal you're gonna like.

Dude, you gotta tell me which pedals have loads of switches and knobs that don't do anything - I wanna check them out!

[Grandturk]

Trust me, this pedal is the real deal. It is awesome. Each and every metal tone out there.....it is in this box. You just have to find it.

Does it sound like a Marshall? Will it sound like a Marshall through my Boogie? Am I just chasing a dream?

Dude, you gotta tell me which pedals have loads of switches and knobs that don't do anything - I wanna check them out!

I want a pedal that automatically unplugs itself so I don't have to pull the plug out!

[jmsaxon69]

I am quickly finding out that i love the sound of a good tube amps distortion over a pedal any day. I was running various Charvels (still running the Charvels) into a Korg Pitch Black Tuner/ Keeley Compressor/OCD/Keeley Bypass Looper with a BOSS CE-2/EVH Phaser and Flanger and I also have a Nova Reverb in the effects loop (soon to be a Nova Repeater too) of my Egnater Rebel 20. That head is only one channel so I was looking for something to give me a heavy enough distortion that still sounded as good as the Egnater so I could switch it off and have a clean channel. The OCD is not enough, I didn't like the BB from Xotic and I am now, as of Friday, sorry I bought a new ZVex Box of Metal. I think I am selling them all (and the head) and getting a Egnater Renegade (new 2 channel head) and just running the Keeley Compressor and the modulation effects. There is nothing like the over driven tube sound

[bombtek]

Dude, you gotta tell me which pedals have loads of switches and knobs that don't do anything - I wanna check them out!

Alright wiseass

We have all plugged into something and strummed heard the sound and thought....nope....turned a knob or flipped a switch on whatever it is we are plugged into and heard......almost no change.

That is what I was talking about. So far, the Metal End pedal doesn't have any of these mystery knobs or switches. They all make some difference in tone no matter how little you tweak them.

[bombtek]

Does it sound like a Marshall? Will it sound like a Marshall through my Boogie? Am I just chasing a dream?

Yup, back off on the gain to about 10 o'clock. Sounds like a JCM 800. Turn that distortion knob a little bit higher in incriments, and you progressively get more modern sounding distortions. Use the amp modeling switch and you get a whole new array of tones. It really is the most versatile distortion pedal I've ever owned.