Pedals or amp?

[ken361]

get a JVM, all the tones you need!

[Robbie Dane]

Check out Wampler Pedals.

[bombtek]

Some of the available tones....though I do not know what amp/monitor speaker these are being played through.

http://www.myguitarpedals.com/biyang-metalend-effects-pedal-p-89.html

[Dreamland_Rebel]

So my question is this - what do you get your primary sound from - an amp or a pedal?

My second question is this - is there a pedal out there that will give me a high-gain modded 800/900/Vintage Modern Marshall sound through my Boogie?

1. a combination of both.
2. their isn't a single pedal that will do that job.

i use the amp to provide the tone AND distortion. with the gain at about 6 (2 O'clock-ish). then i use an overdrive to push the amp into sweet screaming tones. its adds that hi fi sound to the gain and adds natural sustain and compresstion. the difference between the pedal on and off is very subtle but the feeling and response of the guitar is changed dramatically. i like to say that it adds "sparkle" to the sound.

i prefer setting the OD to clean boost (level hi/gain low) but many people like to run the gain higher and use their OD for solo boost / lead sound.

a lot of people use 2 OD pedals. one to push the amp into the rhythm sound they want. and another for lead tone on top of that.

the main difference between all the different overdrive pedals out their is very subtle aswell. they all work the same but with slightly different flavors. some are more quiet than others. some have more gain available. some have more bottom end available. some have more midrange. some have more dynamics. but they all do the same thing.

[emperor_black]

Yup, back off on the gain to about 10 o'clock. Sounds like a JCM 800. Turn that distortion knob a little bit higher in incriments, and you progressively get more modern sounding distortions. Use the amp modeling switch and you get a whole new array of tones. It really is the most versatile distortion pedal I've ever owned.

Whatever tones the pedal might give, there still is a emptiness, so to speak. The tone is never full. Over the past 3 months, I've tried about 3 or 4 distortion pedals into the clean channel, into the fx return, etc. The closest good sound I got was with a Hardwire TL-2 through a JJ EL-34 equipped Carvin TS100 into a closed back 1x12 with Celestion V30. But there is a mid-range "honk" somewhat like the EMG 81's that's forcing me to think about selling the TL-2.

But the problem with distortion pedals, 1) Noise 2) if one setting sounds good for rhythm, the same setting doesn't sound good for lead. With the mark iv, I back off the vol knob and my rhythm sounds are tight! With max volume, all my legato runs are smooth and slick! But yeah it will not sound like a Marshall which is what the thread is all about

[DonP]

- Its not a money thing, "saving" isn't going to help. If I wanted a Plexi, I'd buy a Plexi. Its a "space" thing as in the missus thinks 7 guitars, two amps and two dogs are quite enough for a 1 bedroom apartment.

Don't you think it's about time to buy a house? Then you can pack it with all the stuff you want.

[emperor_black]

Don't you think it's about time to buy a house? Then you can pack it with all the stuff you want.

That's what I thought! But once you get a house, there're so many payments that you want to sell your stuff. I just paid $4500 for my kid's dental problems and now I've got a $4K property tax bill. Sold one amp. About to sell a guitar and not feeling like spending it on more music gear.

[bombtek]

With max volume, all my legato runs are smooth and slick! But yeah it will not sound like a Marshall which is what the thread is all about

See, that right there is why I LOVE my Metal End.......I can hardly spell legato much less play a run so there is no need to tighten it up !

[Rupe]

You should be able to get in close proximity to a Marshall sound with the right pedal. The Lovepedal Purple Plexi as mentioned earlier is a great option...I'm sure there are many others. The Mark IIA is a great amp to match up to pedals so you've got a good base to get to where you want to go.

Just because you have 6L6 tubes doesn't mean it can't sound like a Marshall. People forget that Eddie ran 6CA7s in his Marshall...a 6L6 pinned out to run in an EL34 amp. Plus all of his sig amps have been 6L6 based.

[Grandturk]

Don't you think it's about time to buy a house? Then you can pack it with all the stuff you want.

I can't find one with a roof high enough...

[VitaminG]

But the problem with distortion pedals, 1) Noise 2) if one setting sounds good for rhythm, the same setting doesn't sound good for lead. With the mark iv, I back off the vol knob and my rhythm sounds are tight! With max volume, all my legato runs are smooth and slick! But yeah it will not sound like a Marshall which is what the thread is all about

that's what I like about the Crunch Box. It responds well to dynamics. I can back the gain off with the volume on my guitar, or I can push the CB harder for a tighter lead tone with my Boost'n'Buff

[Endrik]

I can get pretty authentic Marshall sound with Boogie's.. with my MK3 coliseum I can use the crunch channel and boost it with OD pedals if I want more kick.
With regular MK's you can put two EL34's in the amp to give more crunch and whatnot.

But whatever you do, It will never react or respond like a Marshall. It can sound one on the record but when you play it, it feels totally different.

[DonP]

That's what I thought! But once you get a house, there're so many payments that you want to sell your stuff. I just paid $4500 for my kid's dental problems and now I've got a $4K property tax bill. Sold one amp. About to sell a guitar and not feeling like spending it on more music gear.

I think that's why I left CA after 30 years. I can live in a huge house in Ohio and still have 30+ guitars and way too many amps.

[MakeAJazzNoiseHere]

JCM800 50-watt with some kind of tube preamp/boost like a Tube Driver used to work pretty well for me for the "beefy Marshall" tone. My JCM800 had 6L6's, though.

I prefer the amp tone. The 6L6 Boogie doesn't sound just like a 6L6 Marshall, but I like it.

Your boogie is SumulClass right? Have you tried a set of Boogie EL34's?

[Grandturk]

Your boogie is SumulClass right? Have you tried a set of Boogie EL34's?

No, Simulclass didn't come around until the MkIIB. I just have the 100/60 option.