Help me figure out the effects in this ...

[Jayster]

Help me figure out the effects in this ...

I dig the guitar tone and think its rack oriented as the volume seems to swell, but with slick distortion and great tone. Anyone know what he was using?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K4SqM40ckE

[Endrik]

sounds like a Marshall with heavy compression and gain + how it's tracked and EQ'd and all that studio crap

[Jayster]

sounds like a Marshall with heavy compression and gain + how it's tracked and EQ'd and all that studio crap

I guess I should clarify, the lead tone .... and if thats just knob twidlin on the mix, then I need to buy a knob twidlin manual! The compression seems to good to be true and not blatantly fake, there's a present volume swell and ??? (something else).

[thebeggar]

I can't help you with the tone but these guys don't sound too bad. Checked out a few songs on youtube, seems pretty good.

I take it you are a fan of this band?

[Endrik]

the lead tone sounds heavily processed, can't say exactly what they did but there's a lot of delay and perhaps a very subtle stereo chorus...

[Endrik]

The compression seems to good to be true and not blatantly fake

What's a fake compression? Do you mean special compression units? Usually not used on distorted guitars unless you want really processed sound.
If you use shitloads of drive, there's shitloads of compression. If you overdub and multitrack with that kind of sounds then there's even more compression and the tracks combined can create this phasey-wavey sound.... this is pretty evident when it comes to the rhythm guitar parts on this song.

[Newc]

Simple harmonized lead, with some parts doubled (both playing the same notes rather than harmonized).

These days it could be anything - Marshall with MXR Dist+, rack, 5150 with MetalZone, etc.

Not to mention that there's a ton of shit you can pile on a track in the studio.
EQs, re-amping, Exciters, etc etc.

The good news is, most any decent rack unit will probably already have that tone as a preset.

[chrisolson]

Thanks for throwing this up here... I gotta get some stuff from these guys!! Recommendations?

[Nightbat]

At first i thought "Grab a SLO and some spandex pants"

digging a little deeper in the photoalbum it seems someone is using marshalls

[Jayster]

If you overdub and multitrack with that kind of sounds then there's even more compression and the tracks combined can create this phasey-wavey sound.... this is pretty evident when it comes to the rhythm guitar parts on this song.

I'm more sober now, and yeah, I think a large part of what appeals to me is this "phasey-wavey sound". Can you point me to some info on exploiting this process?

It(to me) gives an "organic ness" to the tone and I dig it, I'd like to find a way to incorporate this into my live sound as well. I've got a bunch of rack shit, but have been way to lazy to actually learn how to use it

[Jayster]

Thanks for throwing this up here... I gotta get some stuff from these guys!! Recommendations?

Sorry, but no. I think it was a link on here where I first heard this song(thanks Ralph E), but there's something about the tone on these tracks. There's one up front and it's balls on!!!

[Endrik]

I'm more sober now, and yeah, I think a large part of what appeals to me is this "phasey-wavey sound". Can you point me to some info on exploiting this process?

Check some recording forums and whatnot.
But basically just use some Marshall sounding amp with a lot of gain. Close mic it and record it. Do overdubs of the same part. Then double track or quad track or whatever and mix it until you get what you like.
You can start by doing the most basic thing. Record one track. Then another. Do a copy of each track. Pan two of them hard left and the other two hard right. Usually people mix the first take and its copy to one channel and the other take and its copy to another channel. But when you pan different takes to one channel and their copies to another then there's a bigger chance getting that phasey sound. But it can sound muddier this way if the parts aren't recorded very precisely compared to each other.
You can thicken the sound by doing more copies of the tracks. If you want more phasey effect you can try recording more takes and adding them.

Personally I wouldn't record like that. I'd use much less gain as I don't like overcompressed tone that much. And with less gain the sound would be less mushy. And these days I'm more into single guitar track and loud ballsy rhythm section.

It(to me) gives an "organic ness" to the tone and I dig it, I'd like to find a way to incorporate this into my live sound as well. I've got a bunch of rack shit, but have been way to lazy to actually learn how to use it

Do you want the rhythm or lead tone live? Or both? For rhythm just use a very gainy and compressed Marshall tone. Do get the recording feel somewhat you should have another guitar player. If you don't you can perhaps try a stereo rig and separating the amps by 10ms delay or something like that.
Lead tone wise yeah just use a rack system. More rack stuff the better. Turn everything on even if you don't use all the effects on any item.. just to get the signal over processed.

With these sounds there's always a big risk of course to create a lot of mud live. So you gotta try all that shit with the whole band.

[Jayster]

With these sounds there's always a big risk of course to create a lot of mud live. So you gotta try all that shit with the whole band.

This is where I suck, I can spend a lot of time tailoring a sound. However when, I set down to "play" with a group setting - it sounds very different with freq's fighting each other. I guess I just need to keep fucking with it

Interesting thought about running my set up stereo, with panned delay ...

and would it help to run a "doubler" or not so much(because it wouldn't modulate)?

[Nightbat]

Well if anything, when going "High" gain you usually end up dialing out most of the low end
Ofcourse, bassplayers and drummers love that anyway