Knucklehead Tre vs. Triple Rec

[El Mariachi]

Not familiar with the micro amp... but a good OD works great. I also have an MXR GT-OD that sounds pretty close to the Maxon.

Back to this thread... I never had any luck with the Rectifiers either... I've owned two Dual Rectos. (old two channel version as well as the newer three channel version). You can get them sounding pretty good on your own, but they just get lost in the mix when playing in a band. EVEN if you're the only guitarist!!! YIKES! I've run into alot of people that have run into this same problem.

[6string40]

Number 1, I wasnt comparing the Mesa or the Tre to either of the Line6 amps. I was comparing Line6 amps to the Line6 amps. Number 2, I own and enjoy and have owned many tube amps. Number 3, Yes, unimpressed. I like the sound of my Carvin X100B way more than the Mesa and the Tre I demoed. Now last but not least, SS amps are not the end of the world guys. Yes, alot of them suck balls, a lot of them are mediocre, and a few fuggin rock just as hard and sound just as good as any tube amp. The principal design flaw in 99% of SS amps is the power supply. You get that nice awesome bedroom level tone but when its time to move it to a gig or practice level of volume they thin out. Its plain and simply because the power supply on 99% of SS amps do not provide enough power to run the amp at anywhere near its rated power without severe power supply slump. Bass frequencies and lower mids with which the guitars tone is greatly comprised of takes far more power to amplify than mids and highs, therefore when the power becomes scarce the lows and low mids become very muddy because theyre not being adequately amplified or just become basically nonexistent in the reproduced sound. Talk shit, tell me Im wrong, flame me, but Im right. If you want to learn this for yourself, you can do it the hard way by reading fact somewhere in a book, or find yourself say a Randall Titan and plug in and turn it up(I personally have one so I know). Also to be fair there are tube amp that in my oppinion fall way short of the line too, and to clarify the Mesa and th Tre are not one them, simply like my X100B better.

Number 1, apparently I misread...I couldn't tell where you were going the Line 6 amps. Number 2, no problem. Again, as I was reading, it appeared that you were into the HD147 and the Bogner-fueled modeling amp, so it sounded as if that was the sound you were going for--not for an all-tube thang. I have no idea what kind of gear you own or have owned. Number 3, if you were unimpressed, I guess you were unimpressed. Having owned and/or played a lot of high-end amps myself, I can say that quite a few were not my cup of tea, but could never step into "unimpressed" territory--that's all I was trying to get across there. No harm, no foul.

Number 4, I never said solid state sucked. There are damn good ones out there. Hell, Dime swore by them almost his whole life and his tone was one of the most recognizable, sought after metal tones of the time.

It's all personal preference at the end of the day. I've never been keen on Mesa Recs and I myself would take a K-Tre any day over the X100b...and I can speak from experience as I've played many Riveras and I've owned an X100b. But that's the sound I dig...ya dig?

Shit...now you got me gassin for another Rivera!

[Twitch]

Seems I may have come off as a dick, sorry wasnt my intent.

[Twitch]

Not gonna go Line6 amp after all. Was looking at the Carvin site and am veeeery intrigued by the V3. Sucks part is that there isnt one in a store or used to demo anywhere within 300 mi. of where I live. Im veeeery hesitant to buy it strait from Carvin before I play through one. Ive searched all the tone clips and demos I can find online and NO ONE has demoed it in a voice that I care for(all mid range at like 2 o clock, no body is scooping). Guess it may be a while before this search bears any fruit.

[DRM]

I own a V3. Get one.

[Twitch]

Im seriously thinking about it, Im almost GASing already, Id just really like to find one locally or semi locally so as to demo and because I have no cash flow for major gear purchases right now, but Ive got some equipment(one piece in particular) that Im quite sure most anyone would not turn down as a trade. I think it would probly make a nice compliment to the X100B(Carvin as well and I love the tone, just lacks some top end volume, have a hard time with it at practice even on the 100 w setting as we play in close quarters with one another and the drummer doesnt use mutes on his heads, hopefully the retube kit Ive got coming will fix that).

[mjtripper]

You have a volume problem with the x100b? Mine will take your head off, is it the new version? I haven't played any of the re-issues yet. I've played the v3 quite a bit but don't own one. It is a sweet amp with massive versatility, I think anybody that likes the x100b will like the v3. It can do the mid heavy tones easily, super scooped, slightly broken up bluesy stuff, and squeaky clean. Sooner or later when the right one comes up used locally I'll grab it.

[Twitch]

Yes, apparently, every reissue branded as the Series IV has this issue. Its all over the Carvin boards. They say that the originals dont have the volume issue and all are baffled as to why the reissues do and why Carvin hasnt remedied the problem. I guess once again, its up to the end user to take care of the oversight of the original engineers. I had to mod my 900s as well, but when I was done, they sounded like I think they should sound(think ZW though I know he uses modded 800s).

[El Mariachi]

I was told the triple rec had more gain than the dual, but I haven't had a chance to try one yet. I really like the distortion channel on the dual rec though.

How much gain is on tap is not an issue. It's where the Recto sits in the mix that is. The frequency that amp sits at just doesn't cut through in a band situation. I don't think it has any more gain anyway. It just has more power. It's 150w vs. 100w on a Dual Recto.

[Spivonious]

How much gain is on tap is not an issue. It's where the Recto sits in the mix that is. The frequency that amp sits at just doesn't cut through in a band situation. I don't think it has any more gain anyway. It just has more power. It's 150w vs. 100w on a Dual Recto.

Exactly. And since you need to double the power to get a perceivable volume increase, it's really just for a little extra headroom.

[Endrik]

Triple sound a bit more brutal than Dual and you can make Triple a 100W head by pulling out two power amp tubes.

[Outlander]

I don't know where you guys are coming from? My dual 3 chan. sits in the mix just fine. It has plenty of options for adjustment.But then again I don't scoop my mids. I use the rectifier instead of diode setting and spongy instead of bold with 6L6's.

The triple as stated above just gives you more headroom, mostly usefull for a higher volume level and better balance between chanells on your clean chanell. I hear no differance otherwise. They are both tremendously loud!

[Endrik]

If you have trouble sitting in the mix with any decent tube amp then there's a lack of communication within the band and a lack of understanding how a band should sound like.

[Outlander]

If you have trouble sitting in the mix with any decent tube amp then there's a lack of communication within the band and a lack of understanding how a band should sound like.

I agree and would add that at least a basic idea of the differant frequencies of each instrument (including) percussion and how they inter relate to each other is also mandatory for a well balanced sound.

[El Mariachi]

I agree and would add that at least a basic idea of the differant frequencies of each instrument (including) percussion and how they inter relate to each other is also mandatory for a well balanced sound.

I disagree completely. It's not about volume. And you can't dial in enough mids in that amp.
But to each his/her own. If it's working for you... GREAT!