Eventide Space and Pitchfactor pedals or the Eclipse?

[wilkinsi]

I've been watching plenty of youtube videos on all the above. The pedals look a lot easier to edit than the Eclipse. They cost £365-£400 each. The Eclipse is a £1650 rack and has both pitchshifting and reverb as well as Modfactor and Timefactor presets. Naturally, the Eclipse is out of my budget and there aren't any good deals on ebay. At best, I can afford 1 pedal per month. What I wanna know is whether its worth hanging on or settling for half the features at half the total spend. What does the Eclipse have that the pedals don't and vice versa? Forget the connections. I intend to use only the 1/4" jacks with my other gear anyway.

[Animus]

The pedals are very cut down versions which might be a good thing if you just need the basics. THere's a lot more stuff in the Eclipse. The Space pedal only has like 10 presets or something, for example. I found the Eclipse fairly easy to tweak. I have the H8000 now and that by far is very complex but has everything you could ever want for effects and possibilities.

I think the pedals would be good for you since you can add another one as you get the cash. Eventide also has native software plugins coming out.

[wilkinsi]

So what you're sayin is the Eclipse has presets which involve more FX than what one Eventide stompbox would have (e.g: Reverb, modulation and pitchshifting), or does the Space have some degree of pitchshifting and modulation even though its primarily aimed at reverb? I briefly owned a DSP7500 a decade ago, and it did have the Blackhole preset (also found in the Space stompbox) as well as numerous pitchshifting stuff, but the damn thing kept crashing. That VSIG editor IMO is for rocket scientists, and would only connect to PC via a serial port.

I'm tempted to buy the Space stompbox next week.

[Animus]

The Eclipse just has way more "algorithms" than the pedals, and is a true "multieffects" box. Eventide reverbs due pitch the reverb tail so Space probably does that but has no harmonizing capability I assume.

Yeah, vsig is damn crazy complicated but is very flexible. You can pretty much do anything imaginable. If you can figure out how. :-)

[Newc]

Depending on how complex you want your Pitch work, I'd look into a Digitech 1101 and a footpedal, or an older Digitech IPS33 and expression pedal. At least with the IPS33 you could specify how you wanted each note in a given octave to shift (i.e. pitch goes down as scale goes up, all 3rds/5ths/7ths/etc, every other note goes up or down, etc). The 1101 is pretty much all up or all down, but you do have two whole octaves up and down.
I just can't bring myself to spend the money on a PitchFactor, though I'm sure it's amazing at what it does.

[wilkinsi]

As much as I would love to own an Eclipse, my patience finally died yesterday. I've ordered a Space pedal. The Pitchfactor will have to wait as per budget allows.

[wilkinsi]

I was hoping to find something showing just how many FX blocks appear in the Eclipse's signal chain at one time. This was the main reason I used to own a TC Fireworx, because I could see exactly what was going where and was able to choose different FX for each block. I also noticed I couldn't change the FX on one Space preset from say, modulation to pitchshift. Instead, I had to choose a preset that already contained pitchshifting and edit it as best I could. Having heard some Eclipse presets in the official Eclipse demo on youtube, I assume you can in fact change say, a reverb block to a flanger block, for example? Or is the FX structure on the Eclipse completely different to the Fireworx?

[Animus]

I was hoping to find something showing just how many FX blocks appear in the Eclipse's signal chain at one time. This was the main reason I used to own a TC Fireworx, because I could see exactly what was going where and was able to choose different FX for each block. I also noticed I couldn't change the FX on one Space preset from say, modulation to pitchshift. Instead, I had to choose a preset that already contained pitchshifting and edit it as best I could. Having heard some Eclipse presets in the official Eclipse demo on youtube, I assume you can in fact change say, a reverb block to a flanger block, for example? Or is the FX structure on the Eclipse completely different to the Fireworx?

It has 2 fx blocks but I can't remember if you change them discretely or have to change presets. I only had it a few months before I got the H8000 and didn't get into heavy editing. Best thing to do is just download the manual and see the details.

[wilkinsi]

After having read the manual again, I should've used the word "modules" (the same as the uber-expensive DSP/Orville/H series racks) instead of "FX blocks" .

[Hellbat]

Here some fresh videos to fuel the GAS Simon...

[wilkinsi]

Its been a week since I bought the Eclipse, and as normal, taking forever with USPS. Bought it used from a member on The Gear Page. I'm keeping the Space pedal til I can create the same presets on the Eclipse, though I can always use it as a controller.

[wilkinsi]

Fucking snot. Its been with UK Customs a whole week now. Bastards.