Diezel

[roodyrocker]

You guys are leaving out an important factor in the Lamborghini vs Shelby comparison. It's not just weight, hp, and aerodynamics. Cost is the big factor, you know like with the Diezel amp. The Shelby is a $50K car while the Lamborghini is a $200K car. For the price difference I can make the Shelby go much faster than the Lamborghini. I shoot photography for a couple of the drag racing magazines and have witnessed Mustangs and Camaros at the drag strip going so fast that if I told you the numbers you'd think I was making it up.
Again, the point was a Diezel is nice but is it $4K nice? I don't think so, I still think there are better sounding amps for less money. The Uberschall being one of them. Bad Cat Hot Cat 30R being another. Mind you neither one is cheap but they're not $4K either.

[Vass]

If you're anywhere near NYC Ultrasound Studios has a couple VH4 and a few Herberts you can go dick around with for $30 an hour studio time. Give the VH4 in Studio A a kiss for me and let it know I'll be by to see it real soon.

My experience...and you can check out what Ultrasound has available on their site....the VH4 murders everything else in the mix. Granted I don't have alot of tuning and tweaking time on it, but every channel is a winner IMO.

[Shawn Lutz]

I personally wouldn't pay 4k for an amp. Look for it used and save some coin. Most I spend on an amp is my Bogner 101B and that was around $2500 if I remember correctly. One thing is buying high quality used you save the initial money and easily sell it for what you paid for it if it doesn't work out for you

[hippietim]

I had a Herbert. It was awesome. It was 180 watts. Way too fucking loud to be usable for me.

[hippietim]

Again, the point was a Diezel is nice but is it $4K nice? I don't think so, I still think there are better sounding amps for less money. The Uberschall being one of them.

No offense to you or Bill but I wouldn't give up a bucket of worm spit for an Uberschall. I'd take a whole slew of other amps over one of those. Any Diezel for instance.

At a certain point the price to value ratio is difficult to measure because you're not usually comparing equivalent things. Take the Herbert Uberschall comparison for instance. The Uberschall is a two channel amp that does just a couple things and has very basic hookup and switching options. The Herbert has 4 very different channels, much more loop control, much more switching control, etc. Even if you got two Uberschalls you wouldn't match the flexibility, you'd need more hardware, and you'd be spending way more money.

[Richard W]

If you're anywhere near NYC Ultrasound Studios has a couple VH4 and a few Herberts you can go dick around with for $30 an hour studio time. Give the VH4 in Studio A a kiss for me and let it know I'll be by to see it real soon.

My experience...and you can check out what Ultrasound has available on their site....the VH4 murders everything else in the mix. Granted I don't have alot of tuning and tweaking time on it, but every channel is a winner IMO.

Thanks for the info.

[horns666]

I heard worm spit is good for you...I heard it makes certain African tribes horny as hell! I just ordered some. So my manworm can spit with vicious velocity!!!

But Tim..I only use ONE channel. I switched the clean channel on my uber once. When I first got it, to see if it works. It does. So that's good.

I wonder if the Herbert will make shoot the Sherbert..

[roodyrocker]

I personally wouldn't pay 4k for an amp. Look for it used and save some coin. Most I spend on an amp is my Bogner 101B and that was around $2500 if I remember correctly. One thing is buying high quality used you save the initial money and easily sell it for what you paid for it if it doesn't work out for you

The voice of reason right there! I bought my Bogner 101B used as well. That thing sounds so good to me it'll never be going up for sale. Its one of the greats!

No offense to you or Bill but I wouldn't give up a bucket of worm spit for an Uberschall. I'd take a whole slew of other amps over one of those. Any Diezel for instance.

At a certain point the price to value ratio is difficult to measure because you're not usually comparing equivalent things. Take the Herbert Uberschall comparison for instance. The Uberschall is a two channel amp that does just a couple things and has very basic hookup and switching options. The Herbert has 4 very different channels, much more loop control, much more switching control, etc. Even if you got two Uberschalls you wouldn't match the flexibility, you'd need more hardware, and you'd be spending way more money.

No offense taken Tim. You're one of the guys whose opinion I value greatly when it comes to gear However, I played the VH4 and the Herbert at Washington Music Center when I was out of town once. They were nice, I'm not saying they sounded bad but when I heard the Uberschall distortion channel it made me pull out the credit card and take it home. You are correct in that the Uber is not as versatile but it does more than what most people give it credit for. I also don't think the clean channel on it is horrible but it can't keep up volume wise with the distortion channel. Its simple to operate and very easy to dial in. I back the gain knob down to around noon-1:00 O'clock and with my Bogner 4x12 loaded with Greenbacks pull off 80's hard rock nicely. Thats probably not the way most people use an Uber but it does work quite well. The other thing about the Uber which I like is that it also sounds good without having to really crank the volume.
In the price range of a Diezel I prefer the Soldano SLO 100 which of course is a beter deal used as well. Another interesting amp in that price range looks to be the Cameron CCV. I haven't played one of those but it sounds very good from the clips.
From a versatility standpoint, if you really need exceptionally nice cleans as well as killer gain channels I'll go with a Bad Cat Hot Cat 30R. There are so many great amps available that I look into more than Diezel at $4K+.

I heard worm spit is good for you...I heard it makes certain African tribes horny as hell! I just ordered some. So my manworm can spit with vicious velocity!!!

But Tim..I only use ONE channel. I switched the clean channel on my uber once. When I first got it, to see if it works. It does. So that's good.

I wonder if the Herbert will make shoot the Sherbert..

Always cracking me up Bill! Even though I think the clean channel is ok on the Uber, I too use it pretty much as a one channel amp most of the time. And for cutting through a mix there is nothing wrong with a good old fashioned "lowly" Marshall as you mentioned previously. I've done that many times myself

[Grim]

The VH4 is a wonderful amp, and is totally worth the price tag. It's the best high-gain amp you can buy as far as I am concerned, and I don't even own one. it's worth $4000 if you're willing to spend $4000 on it.

To elaborate -- The VH4 is an amp where you get out of it what you put into it. Not necessarily in a time-investment sense but in an expectation sense. If you know that a VH4 is what you want and that is the amp you have your eye set on, it's worth the money. If you're after "Good metal tone", you can get better for cheaper. Is the VH4 the best metal amp on the market? probably. Is it for everyone? Not at all.

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[jgcable]

Yea but you guys are missing my point. The original poster is saying that he has an $800.00 amp and wants to know if he will like a $4000.00 amp. Its the same thing. Cost isn't the factor in regards to the original thread.
If he asked if he would like a Peavey 5150 as much as his Blackstar then you would have a point.

He is basically asking if he would like a Murcielago as much as a Chevy Cobalt. My answer is that there is no human on the planet who doesn't like that Lamborgini. Most of us can't afford it and even if we could we probably wouldn't have the balls to buy one but that doesn't discount the fact that its one of the greatest all around cars ever made.
Regarding performance, the only factory stock cars that compare to a Murcielago are high end Ferrari, super high end Porsche, Panoz, some Lotus models, McLaren, probably something by Bugati or Maserati too. Bottom line, you gotta spend around $185K to $285K to get something that compares in performance to one.
What do I mean to all this and what does it have to do with amps?
Nobody on the planet who is a guitar player wouldn't want to own a Deizel or a Bogner. The only think keeping us from all owning one or the other is the cost. If the original poster is asking the question he must be looking which means the cost isn't a factor.
I don't care what you play, what genre of music you play, or how many amps you have, everybody wants a Deizel Herbert.

[jgcable]

When it comes to how forgiving an amp is, generally speaking..
In order of most forgiving to least forgiving...

Modeling
SS
SS/Tube hybrid
Tube with clipping diodes
Full tube with cascading stages of gain

[Richard W]

"Yea but you guys are missing my point. The original poster is saying that he has an $800.00 amp and wants to know if he will like a $4000.00 amp."

You are thinking of the HT, I have a $2000 Blackstar head, it's a Blackstar series one 1046l6.

[roodyrocker]

Yea but you guys are missing my point. The original poster is saying that he has an $800.00 amp and wants to know if he will like a $4000.00 amp. Its the same thing. Cost isn't the factor in regards to the original thread.
If he asked if he would like a Peavey 5150 as much as his Blackstar then you would have a point.

He is basically asking if he would like a Murcielago as much as a Chevy Cobalt. My answer is that there is no human on the planet who doesn't like that Lamborgini. Most of us can't afford it and even if we could we probably wouldn't have the balls to buy one but that doesn't discount the fact that its one of the greatest all around cars ever made.
Regarding performance, the only factory stock cars that compare to a Murcielago are high end Ferrari, super high end Porsche, Panoz, some Lotus models, McLaren, probably something by Bugati or Maserati too. Bottom line, you gotta spend around $185K to $285K to get something that compares in performance to one.
What do I mean to all this and what does it have to do with amps?
Nobody on the planet who is a guitar player wouldn't want to own a Deizel or a Bogner. The only think keeping us from all owning one or the other is the cost. If the original poster is asking the question he must be looking which means the cost isn't a factor.
I don't care what you play, what genre of music you play, or how many amps you have, everybody wants a Deizel Herbert.

I understand the point your trying to make but there are some people who actually do not like the Diezel sound. I'm not that guy as I think a Diezel sounds fine. But I do have a friend who is an amp/guitar tech who is not impressed by them. So the answer is no, not everyone wants a Diezel. Will the original poster be impressed by one? probably so, but if you think a Murcielago is one of the few fast cars out there or a Diezel is one of the few great sounding amps out there then you will be buying $200K cars and $4K amps. There are plenty of other fast cars and great sounding amps available. Additionally, with the money saved over both of those cars and amps you can spend some of the saved money to mod cars and amps to equal or outperform them is all I'm saying. In the end its up to the buyer to decide if that amp sounds $4K good to them. When I tried the Diezels I liked them but didn't like them $4K worth. Others may disagree which is fine

[Wizard of Ozz]

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone has experience with Diezel Amps. I have sworn by Blackstar for the past couple years, but I am really interested in Diezel. I guess I'm asking is it worth it to spend 4k+ on a Diezel?

I played a Diezel Herbert as my #1 amp for around 6 years... and it killed. However, after a time I got tired of the sound and moved on to other amps. You really need to play one and decide for yourself. When it gets to a certain point, all amps in this price are worth it... if they work for you and sound great to you.

[Axegrinder87]

So given these comparisons of amps and cars, does that mean my Spider Valve is a 600hp turbocharged Honda? Cause I can dig on that.