Silly Redundant JCM800 question for guys who know!

[roodyrocker]

I think I may run my amp dry and use outboard fx at the board for delay and reverb. I like the way most of my amps sound better when nothing is plugged into the loop.

If its an older JCM 800 it doesn't have a loop in it anyway, does it?

[MOSHWITZ]

Sup?

I think I may run my amp dry and use outboard fx at the board for delay and reverb. I like the way most of my amps sound better when nothing is plugged into the loop.

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MOSHON
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[Rupe]

I think I may run my amp dry and use outboard fx at the board for delay and reverb. I like the way most of my amps sound better when nothing is plugged into the loop.

Always a good decision

[jgcable]

I have alot of amps. My JCM doesn't have an effects loop. The last gig I played (Saturday), I used outboard effects coming through the board. I actually liked it better than using my Intellifex through the effects loop of one of my other amps.
I used the same delay and reverb that we use with the vocals so the timing matched too. It sounded really good.

[markD]

that would really clean up the sound!! especially if you used the vocal effects. good thinking!!

[Mazrim]

Maybe find a 2210. That was my trusty sidekick for like 16 years.
Now I'm armed with a JVM/Axe FX Ultra and whatnot but god damn that 2210 is a good amp. A perfect canvas for an 80s metal palette.

[jgcable]

that would really clean up the sound!! especially if you used the vocal effects. good thinking!!

Hey Mark, yes, it sounded great. I might break out the Rivera for the next gig. My band plays once or twice a month and I like using a different amp all the time. 1st gig was Marshall, then I used the 5150, then the Randall RM100 and then back to the 5150 and the Marshall. The Rivera needs to be moved into the rotation. I would like to find a nice 2 x 12 closed back cab for it. Something that I could put the Rivera on and make it a compact 4 x 12 rig. The 2 x 12 open back cab on the Rivera just doesn't have the bottom end response I need.

[markD]

did you find you had any issues with the solos cutting through?

[Shawn Lutz]

I can understand that. When I gig with mine I usually have to turn it down AND I always use either my Faustine Phantom attenuator or Alex's Attenuator. About 3 years ago I saw Paul Gilbert using the 1959RR and even he had a THD Hot Plate sitting right up on top of it or it would literally be unuseable! That thing has to be the loudest amp I've ever hear in my life!
I love using it live, with a distorion/overdrive pedal in front of it rips



Rudy

they should have put a built in attenuator in the RR's like they did the YJM heads.

[roodyrocker]

they should have put a built in attenuator in the RR's like they did the YJM heads.

If they did, I'm sure it would not have been as good in quality as the Faustine Phantom, Alex's, or Aracom. Besides, the RR is a more accurate copy of his vintage amp. The YJM and Slash AFD amps have built in settings that simulate their tones. Malmsteen uses old non-master volume Marshalls. They should have just reproduced his amp that way. But I know what you mean, as an attenuator is a must with the RR amp.

[roodyrocker]

Hey Mark, yes, it sounded great. I might break out the Rivera for the next gig. My band plays once or twice a month and I like using a different amp all the time. 1st gig was Marshall, then I used the 5150, then the Randall RM100 and then back to the 5150 and the Marshall. The Rivera needs to be moved into the rotation. I would like to find a nice 2 x 12 closed back cab for it. Something that I could put the Rivera on and make it a compact 4 x 12 rig. The 2 x 12 open back cab on the Rivera just doesn't have the bottom end response I need.

I don't rotate my amps live too much but I have tried them out live at various times. Mostly its the Marshall 1959RR getting the call but if its a really small stage I take the Bad Cat Hot Cat 30 1x12 combo. When I say small, I mean just the band stage area not the club in general. That little 1x12 can scream! I've also used my Bogner Uberschall quite a bit live and occassionally the Soldano SLO100, Bogner Ecstasy, and a few times the Randall RM100. Its fun to get experience under live conditions with these various amps. Come to think of it, its been a few years since I've taken the Mesa Dual Recto out live. Each has its own personality and each poses different challenges running effects either up front, or through the loop, or some just don't sound good with certain effects. For a while I went through Phaser hell trying to get one that didn't have volume fluctuations with it on vs. off. Finally settled on the Retro-Sonic phaser and I mainly only use it for Bark At The Moon

[jgcable]

did you find you had any issues with the solos cutting through?

They wouldn't have if it wasn't for the sound guy we had luckily. . Thats something I need to address for the next show because we rarely if ever have one. In a one guitar band its no problem with doing things like EQ boosts or midrange boosts or stuff like that but when you have 2 really loud guitars its mandatory to have a proper solo boost for solos. I need about 3 or 4 db min. We were doing it at the board for this gig but I got lucky because we had a sound guy.

[Rupe]

Another quick and easy fix for a 2203/2204 (and inexpensive) is to add a second switchable MV. I did this with my Friedman Marsha and its all I use these days.

Roody...cool to hear that the 1959RR is your main live amp. What about it sets it apart from the others in your stable and how are you running it live (signal chain)? Mine never leaves the guitar room but that may change. The Alex does a great job taming this beast, although I still like to run it wide open on occasion and feel the breeze

[roodyrocker]

Another quick and easy fix for a 2203/2204 (and inexpensive) is to add a second switchable MV. I did this with my Friedman Marsha and its all I use these days.

Roody...cool to hear that the 1959RR is your main live amp. What about it sets it apart from the others in your stable and how are you running it live (signal chain)? Mine never leaves the guitar room but that may change. The Alex does a great job taming this beast, although I still like to run it wide open on occasion and feel the breeze

Hey Rupe;

My Marshall 1959RR is a fun amp live, thats for sure! Out of all my amps I think it cuts through the best although its not necessarily the one with the most gain. Its also the loudest but I run an attenuator with it as I stated earlier. The signal is guitar to pedalboard to amp. The pedalboard varies as I have a couple different setups but all use a pedal switcher, the smallest uses a Carl Martin Octaswitch while the others use a GigRig. The mail pedal I use with the RR amp is a Fulltone OCD but ocassionally a Retro-Sonic 808. The effects are mainly Retro-Sonic or Eventide, depending on the board. The effects are Delay, Chorus, Phaser, Flange, Compressor, and sometime either a Guyatone reverb or Dr. Scientist Reverb. The pedals in use depend on the particular song we're doing. The key to running this rig quitly and without a noise gate at all lies in the cables and power supply. Cables from the guitar to pedalboard and pedalbord to amp are Zaolla cables. The entire board is wired using George L's and the board as well as the amp all get plugged into a Furman Power Factor Pro. The Power Factor Pro is plugged into the AC outlet using an ESP IEC power cable. The clean power path and good cables eliminate pretty much any hum or noise and the pedalswitcher allows me to switch in/out the effects without having to run through them all the time. A pedal that is not in use during a song is completely out of the signal chain. For clean sounds I turn off the OCD or 808 and roll the guitar volume knob down. It works out great. Ever since I started doing it this way my Hush pedal has stayed at home, no need for it. Oh, also no stage lights get plugged into the Furman Power Factor Pro outlets. Lights and audio on the same power circuit can cause buzzing and noise through guitar amps. In fact my band has a power distro that we use in places that we have access to 220V power. If the club has 220, which is not always the case, then ALL our band's stage audio goes through that distro for power not just my amp. Then the stage lights can go into the regular wall outlets for power
BTW, on nights my band and my friend's band are not playing out we rent our system out and run sound/lights for other bands. You learn a ton of stuff doing this from another perspective, that of the stage crew rather than the guitarist/musician side. Learned to mic up drums, cabs, route cables properly to minimize interference, etc... Plus its fun

[Rupe]

Hey Rupe;

My Marshall 1959RR is a fun amp live, thats for sure! Out of all my amps I think it cuts through the best although its not necessarily the one with the most gain. Its also the loudest but I run an attenuator with it as I stated earlier. The signal is guitar to pedalboard to amp. The pedalboard varies as I have a couple different setups but all use a pedal switcher, the smallest uses a Carl Martin Octaswitch while the others use a GigRig. The mail pedal I use with the RR amp is a Fulltone OCD but ocassionally a Retro-Sonic 808. The effects are mainly Retro-Sonic or Eventide, depending on the board. The effects are Delay, Chorus, Phaser, Flange, Compressor, and sometime either a Guyatone reverb or Dr. Scientist Reverb. The pedals in use depend on the particular song we're doing. The key to running this rig quitly and without a noise gate at all lies in the cables and power supply. Cables from the guitar to pedalboard and pedalbord to amp are Zaolla cables. The entire board is wired using George L's and the board as well as the amp all get plugged into a Furman Power Factor Pro. The Power Factor Pro is plugged into the AC outlet using an ESP IEC power cable. The clean power path and good cables eliminate pretty much any hum or noise and the pedalswitcher allows me to switch in/out the effects without having to run through them all the time. A pedal that is not in use during a song is completely out of the signal chain. For clean sounds I turn off the OCD or 808 and roll the guitar volume knob down. It works out great. Ever since I started doing it this way my Hush pedal has stayed at home, no need for it. Oh, also no stage lights get plugged into the Furman Power Factor Pro outlets. Lights and audio on the same power circuit can cause buzzing and noise through guitar amps. In fact my band has a power distro that we use in places that we have access to 220V power. If the club has 220, which is not always the case, then ALL our band's stage audio goes through that distro for power not just my amp. Then the stage lights can go into the regular wall outlets for power
BTW, on nights my band and my friend's band are not playing out we rent our system out and run sound/lights for other bands. You learn a ton of stuff doing this from another perspective, that of the stage crew rather than the guitarist/musician side. Learned to mic up drums, cabs, route cables properly to minimize interference, etc... Plus its fun

Very cool, thanks! I may have to come check you guys out some time...I'm just a little over an hour away from Warren and I do some recording there occasionally. Let me know what you're upcoming schedule looks like