NEW Tone Upgrades from FU and Mike Learn

[Headroller]

NEW!!!! FU-Tone and Mike Learn are pleased to bring you the new PMS (Pickup Mounting System)! The PMS mounts directly into your pickup cavity giving your pick up a direct mounting platform of our famous FU Bell Brass. The increased resonance form the body to the brass to your pickup will add more warmth and sustain.

Guitar pickups do not just "listen" to the strings in motion above, they feed off the vibrations happening all around them. Poorly mounted pickups can actually cancel some frequencies. Mount pickups directly into the wood of the guitar, and you get improved tonal response. Add a piece of tone resonate material like the new PMS by FU and the results are even more intense.

The PMS solution is designed to elicit the maximum performance from your pickup. When properly installed, this patented system amplifies the wood’s natural resonant frequencies, energizes the tone of your guitar and optimizes the sonic range of your pickup.

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[Rupe]

Guitar pickups do not just "listen" to the strings in motion above, they feed off the vibrations happening all around them. Poorly mounted pickups can actually cancel some frequencies. Mount pickups directly into the wood of the guitar, and you get improved tonal response. Add a piece of tone resonate material like the new PMS by FU and the results are even more intense.

I can't speak for the effectiveness of the PMS but I will go on record as saying that the first sentence above (bolded) is absolute nonsense. A few fellow players and I put this to the test in the late 90's (two guitars, multiple pickups mounted in both fashions, all recorded and compared) and easily concluded that there was no meaningful audible difference between direct mounted and ring mounted pickups.
A pickup reads the vibrations of a string within a magnetic field...it doesn't "read" body resonance. EVH started that bs years ago and people seem to blindly believe it.

[Hellbat]

Is the center screw intended to be in contact with the bottom of the pickup?

I like the design and the idea. If the answer to my question is yes, I guess the only challenge of the design is to adjust the height you need to remove the pickup. On the bright side, with no springs in the equation that is a quick and hassle free operation.

Did you ever float the idea of moving the mounting screws further out and then adding a toothed wheel to the bottom of the center screw? The you could make quick height adjustments by turning it with an allen wrench down the edge of the pickup.

[CowboyFromHell]

I can't speak for the effectiveness of the PMS but I will go on record as saying that the first sentence above (bolded) is absolute nonsense. A few fellow players and I put this to the test in the late 90's (two guitars, multiple pickups mounted in both fashions, all recorded and compared) and easily concluded that there was no meaningful audible difference between direct mounted and ring mounted pickups.
A pickup reads the vibrations of a string within a magnetic field...it doesn't "read" body resonance. EVH started that bs years ago and people seem to blindly believe it.

So according to what you're saying, then what wood any guitar is made out of wouldn't matter. Well, guess there goes your theory out the window. If what you said were true then body material wouldn't matter and all woods would sound the same. Last time I checked, the wood used to make a guitar has a HUGE impact on the tone. Guess Eddie wasn't full of it afterall.

[Learn Guitars]

The basis of that statement is pretty simple. If an object that is picking up a signal at 60 hz, but itself is vibrating at the same frequency, it will cancel out the effectiveness of the ability for that pickup to get that signal. That will vary depending on different types of construction and pickups. This system locks the pickup down solid...solid....solid. With the mounting system, the pickup becomes a solid part of the guitar. A tripod almost if you will. People will have speculation until they try it.

[Learn Guitars]

Is the center screw intended to be in contact with the bottom of the pickup?

I like the design and the idea. If the answer to my question is yes, I guess the only challenge of the design is to adjust the height you need to remove the pickup. On the bright side, with no springs in the equation that is a quick and hassle free operation.

Did you ever float the idea of moving the mounting screws further out and then adding a toothed wheel to the bottom of the center screw? The you could make quick height adjustments by turning it with an allen wrench down the edge of the pickup.

Yes the center post is that like a sound post in a violin as well as a stabilizing component. We tooled with a few other versions, but it came down to simplicity was the best.

[shreddermon]

My wife has PMS, and her "tone" seems to degrade when it's operational.

J/K! Looks kinda cool.

[Rupe]

So according to what you're saying, then what wood any guitar is made out of wouldn't matter. Well, guess there goes your theory out the window. If what you said were true then body material wouldn't matter and all woods would sound the same. Last time I checked, the wood used to make a guitar has a HUGE impact on the tone. Guess Eddie wasn't full of it afterall.

Nice try there cowboy, but you obviously don't understand how a guitar works. Here's an elementary lesson for you:
Wood types (as well as nearly every other component of the guitar) can affect resonance, sustain, frequency response, etc. Those traits affect how the string vibrates. Those string vibrations are subsequently "read" by the pickup. The pickup "hears" the strings, not the wood.
My theory is still sitting nicely in the room...you're rebuttal is the only thing going "out the window". And EVH is still full of shit...on this subject and many others.

[Rupe]

The basis of that statement is pretty simple. If an object that is picking up a signal at 60 hz, but itself is vibrating at the same frequency, it will cancel out the effectiveness of the ability for that pickup to get that signal. That will vary depending on different types of construction and pickups. This system locks the pickup down solid...solid....solid. With the mounting system, the pickup becomes a solid part of the guitar. A tripod almost if you will. People will have speculation until they try it.

Sorry, I understand the supposed physics but I simply don't see how it can have any significant effect. It's not like a ring mounted pickup is vibrating to anywhere near the same degree as the string.

Bottom line...can you produce test results that clearly show the difference in the same guitar? Or is this another brass spring claw?

[Shawn Lutz]

I call snake oil here myself. Any tonal difference more than likely are attributed to additional mass of the mounting hardware itself. I always state more mass equals more tone if your adding the right kind of mass. A pickups magnetic field is ABOVE the pickup where the strings pass over top of the pickup, not BELOW. If I put a microphone next to my ass while I sing vocals your not going hear any musical notes come out of my ass.

I do believe most all of FU's claims on brass/copper/titanium blocks and saddles etc this one howerver I call complete and utter bullshit.

[Newc]

In "It Might Get Loud", Jack White drove two nails into a 2x4 and mounted a pickup to it. He then tied a guitar string to each nail, wired the pickup to a jack, then plugged it in and it worked. Could it have sounded better? Certainly, particularly since there was no bridge, which is where string tone is influenced the most.

Now, take that 2x4 and mount a real guitar bridge and the tone will improve.

Mount the bridge on a block of tone wood (mahogany, ebony, maple, etc) on the same 2x4 and the tone will be slightly different between each block.

The wood that the bridge is mounted to will have more impact on the string tone than the overall body wood. Take a tuneomatic guitar and route a channel in the body where the bridge is mounted, and mount the bridge to a block of wood in that channel that is different from the body wood, and you'll find the amplified tone will be strongly influenced by that.

Now, take a common hardware store bare 2x4 and mount a bridge and nut and tuning head and a pickup directly to the 2x4, string it up and check it.
Next, put this PMS thing under the pickup. If there's a discernable improvement in tone, then I'll believe it, but it still sounds like FLoyd Upgrades is going crazy with the "brass improves tone" thing.
If left up to them, guitars would looks like a Steampunk's wet-dream.

[CowboyFromHell]

Nice try there cowboy, but you obviously don't understand how a guitar works. Here's an elementary lesson for you:
Wood types (as well as nearly every other component of the guitar) can affect resonance, sustain, frequency response, etc. Those traits affect how the string vibrates. Those string vibrations are subsequently "read" by the pickup. The pickup "hears" the strings, not the wood.
My theory is still sitting nicely in the room...you're rebuttal is the only thing going "out the window". And EVH is still full of shit...on this subject and many others.

Regardless of the myth you're trying to preach to me, two exactly the same guitars, the only difference being the wood, shows that it does in fact effect tone. If it didn't all guitars would be made out of the same wood. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

[Hellbat]

Regardless of it's effect on tone, I just like it as a way to mount pickups. No rings or springs mean you can swap them out like nobody's business.

[Matt_B]

Eh, everyone's ears are different. Some hear things that others don't. If you don't hear a difference, don't buy them.

[Learn Guitars]

You can call it what you want. We should probably not be potting pickups either. Because they will not vibrate or have their own natural resonant frequency. With all the speculation in dis approval...take your pick up out of the guitar and just let it free float over the strings. Hell, for that matter, you do not even need the guitar.


People can believe what they want. The system is designed to give the best and most stable mounting platform on the market. No need to shit talk, just do not buy it.