Anyone using the Boss GT-100 with 4-Cable Method?

[mantis]

Just a side note about the amp modelers in the GT100.
Since everyone was talking about how they suck and all and Honestly I haven't fooled around with them since the weekend I got this thing a few years ago. I decided to try and create a patch with the Solano SLO100 since I just recently played through one of them.
I actually got a useable tone out of that amp modeler that was similar to how the real thing sounds. Its no where near the same but since I have a very good Tube amp and using the 4 cable method, I was able to get close enough to build a patch the way I want and enjoy the 80's rock tone. This is something my amp doesn't do well at all IMO. My preamp is very high gain and even at very low gain settings like 1 or 2 it just has to much bite to it and not enough of that Marshall like creamy Rock gain. The SLO100 kills that tone probably better then any other amp out there and with the Amp Modeler in the 4 cable method, I was able to get some really nice AC DC tones without just using the OD section pedals.
I 'm now gonna have to explore all the amp modelers of the amps I like and try to put in some time to build some good quality patches to see if its worth it to play around. I don't like simulated amp sounds , mic's cabs etc so I tune all that stuff off and just focus on the preamp section of each amp modeler. This way I can find something useful or at least something to play around with.

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It's definitely versatile, that's for sure. I find the adjustment knobs to be a bit on the overly sensitive side, but that's not a biggie to me. I plan to make some more patches today and see what it'll do.

Crazy questions, and please excuse my ignorance: you guys talk about moving effects before the preamp and after it. When looking at the graphical screen, if an effect is left of the preamps, does that mean that it runs between my guitar and amp, similar to running a box inline between guitar and amp?

Also, when using the 4-cable method, the EQ on my amp no longer works. Is this normal?

[mantis]

Ok,
So If your in the 4 cable method and setup the GT100 as a Combo return , Stack return , when you use a Preamp that exists in the Boss GT100, your preamp is bypassed. So the Controls of your preamp do not work.
Now if your using your preamp in the chain, then YES all of your preamp control work as they should.

In the effects chain anything before the preamp or send return, in like having your guitar then Stomp box then preamp in that order. Anything after the Preamp or Send return is Guitar then Stomp boxes in front of the preamp then Preamp and or Send Return then lets say Chours or Delay will be in your effects loop then the power amp section of your amp then to the speakers just like if you wired a lets say a stomp box like a Delay in your amps effects loop.

Thats how it works and you can make all those changes with one preset patch press. It's the best man.

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Ok,
So If your in the 4 cable method and setup the GT100 as a Combo return , Stack return , when you use a Preamp that exists in the Boss GT100, your preamp is bypassed. So the Controls of your preamp do not work.
Now if your using your preamp in the chain, then YES all of your preamp control work as they should.

In the effects chain anything before the preamp or send return, in like having your guitar then Stomp box then preamp in that order. Anything after the Preamp or Send return is Guitar then Stomp boxes in front of the preamp then Preamp and or Send Return then lets say Chours or Delay will be in your effects loop then the power amp section of your amp then to the speakers just like if you wired a lets say a stomp box like a Delay in your amps effects loop.

Thats how it works and you can make all those changes with one preset patch press. It's the best man.

Thanks a ton! That clears it up. So if ANY GT-100 preamp is turned on in the patch, then it disables the amp's preamp. Makes sense.

Just got back with a USB cable. Time to try some patches.....

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Update: I LOVE this unit! Seriously. I now have four killer patches dialed in: two for shred/heavy rhythm, one for a super pretty, pristine clean with sustain for days, and one I labeled "Pipe Organ" because that's exactly what it sounds like.

[mantis]

Update: I LOVE this unit! Seriously. I now have four killer patches dialed in: two for shred/heavy rhythm, one for a super pretty, pristine clean with sustain for days, and one I labeled "Pipe Organ" because that's exactly what it sounds like.

Glad your digging the Gt100. I can't see anyone not digging it once you learn how to use it and dial it in. It makes life so much better as a guitar player.

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Glad your digging the Gt100. I can't see anyone not digging it once you learn how to use it and dial it in. It makes life so much better as a guitar player.

I agree. Just like with my Vetta, it will take some tweaking to get most patches to be exactly like I want. But.... I'm very encouraged by the fact that it sounds good and it got there quickly. I've seen other devices like this that just didn't seem to have any good sound potential in them at all. Yeah, the factory patches are pretty rotten, but it was easy to dial in a really good sound.

I have two overdrive sounds dialed in that I love. Interestingly enough, one uses NO preamps and one uses dual preamps. They both sound great but in slightly different ways. I still haven't built a patch totally from the ground up. So far I've only found factory patches that were in the ball park and tweaked them (greatly).

Remember me saying that the X100B with a distortion in front got me to about 85% where I want to be? Now I'm at about 95-97% and it's only going to get better.

I had a slight "mishap" yesterday. I was playing with Boss Tone Studio and decided to download and plug in a Live Set from them. I somehow screwed up and totally lost my own programmed sounds (only two at that point). However, once I got them dialed back in the second time, they were actually better than what I had in the first place.

One other thing; I decided to do some cleanup in the guitar room yesterday afternoon, so I took and sold SIX effects boxes to Guitar Center, the ME-80 included. I know they don't give the greatest deals but I don't have the time or inclination to sell six different pedals to individuals "eventually."

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By the way, what are you guys using for editing on the computer? I tried Boss Tone Central, but I like the free GT Fx Floorboard MUCH better. You can get it here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/

Here's a screenshot:

[mantis]

By the way, what are you guys using for editing on the computer? I tried Boss Tone Central, but I like the free GT Fx Floorboard MUCH better. You can get it here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/

Here's a screenshot:

I use Boss Tone Central. I didn't know there was another software to use this with. I like the way Tone Central works but hell I'll try out the GT FX floor board.
Cool man thanks.

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I use Boss Tone Central. I didn't know there was another software to use this with. I like the way Tone Central works but hell I'll try out the GT FX floor board.
Cool man thanks.

Everyone has their preferences, of course, but to me, the GT Fx Floorboard is far more intuitive and laid out better.

Plus, I find that it connects and gets ready to work quite a bit faster, too.

If you try it, let me know what you think.

[mantis]

Everyone has their preferences, of course, but to me, the GT Fx Floorboard is far more intuitive and laid out better.

Plus, I find that it connects and gets ready to work quite a bit faster, too.

If you try it, let me know what you think.

I downloaded it to my Mac, I'm gonna try it out today or tomorrow. I love editing the Gt and with a new Tool to do so , it should be pretty fun.

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I downloaded it to my Mac, I'm gonna try it out today or tomorrow. I love editing the Gt and with a new Tool to do so , it should be pretty fun.

Cool. I even found it easier to do backups.

[mantis]

Cool. I even found it easier to do backups.

I steered you to the Gt100 and you give back by finding cool software to run it with. Excellent man !!!

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I steered you to the Gt100 and you give back by finding cool software to run it with. Excellent man !!!

Outstanding!

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After playing with it more yesterday, I've run into a slight problem: even if I turn all preamps off on a patch, it still doesn't seem to be using my amp's preamp. I can switch to the Drive channel and the sound doesn't change at all. It switches on the amp but the sound doesn't change.

I thought about something on the way to work this morning.... do I need to raise the dry signal on the patch, or is something else going on?