boss eq and metalzone

[jackson16]

Re: boss eq and metalzone

Well how about instead of cracking jokes just give a little input. Ill try and find one of those TS10s somewhere and give her a whirl. thanks for all the helps folks.

[rstites]

Re: boss eq and metalzone

Actually, Chuck did give some good input: don't waste your time putting pedals in front of a quality high gain head. It'll only mush up the sound. It sounds like you just need to sculp the sound some and for that you want an EQ (pedal in front and/or rack unit in the loop). No distortion pedal is going to help. An overdrive pedal (like the Tubescreamer) may get you there, but you'll sacrifice definition on the low end for a bit more push in the mids.

[Hotrod]

Re: boss eq and metalzone

So, like the only opinions that count then would be the ones that agree with you? [img]graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img] I don't get it, but I'd certainly take the advice of almost anybody on here when it comes to pure tone from hell. Some of these guys can milk good tone from a Rougue starter guitar and amp package [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] . I'd definately listen unless you're only looking for justification to do what you're going to do anyway.
You've gotten some very good advice, from some of the resident pro's. You just need to sort through it.

[jackson16]

Re: boss eq and metalzone

Making jokes about having all the amps nobs dimed out doesnt seem to help me a whole lot. I dont care about the metalzone i just said I heard that someone used that and an eq infront of a mesa and had a good sound out of it and was asking if it was good or if there was anything else good to use. I was just saying dont just crack jokes about it when other people are actually giving me ideas. Im thinking of going for an eg first because I talked to this guy where I live and he says thats all he uses and it gives him great tone. And if that doesnt work then Ill try that Ibanez thing.

[Lesser Known God]

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Originally posted by Chuckracer:
Wow, I'm a joke cracker with no input!
Thanks, noob!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hahahah Sorry bro.. Not meaning to offend, you know I TOTALLY respect your input when you make legitimate responses. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

BTW, I'm no noob... Just a new nick.. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] With VENTT going there separate ways after the show on the 5th (With Annah's band Boneglove!), I figured it was time to take on a new nick.

[Chuckracer]

Re: boss eq and metalzone

Uh oh, Busted! Open mouth...insert foot...repeat as necessary... [img]graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img]

Jackson16, you have a good point about the advice. So do Rstites and Hotrod, though. I was trying to help you steer clear of spending money needlessly and making a sonic mess, but you really don't seem to want to hear it. As Hotrod put it, you seem to want to use the MetalZone and GE7 come hell or high water cause some local guy said it was cool. So if you really want to do that, do it. But I promise you it will be a disaster.
You may be just starting to listen, however. Forget the Metalzone, OK? The GE7 in front the amp MAY do what you need. Try boosting the mids a little on the pedal, and don't boost the level. You can also try it in the loop with the opposite settings.
You have to understand, I have owned many Rectos and do have experience with them. In spite of my coming off as an "SLO Snob", I like rectos. The advice I offer is based on using high end gear for probably as long or longer than you've been alive.
I'll make a deal with you. You try to be a bit more open minded, and I'll try to be a bit more constructive, OK?

[ April 03, 2003, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: Chuckracer ]

[jackson16]

Re: boss eq and metalzone

No prob man. I wasnt stuck up on the metalzone I was just saying I heard somewhere that it was a decent pedal. Thats just what I heard. I didnt mean to come across as closed minded. Its just that in some of your posts you seemed like you were making of what I heard about them. Sorry if I came across as rude or anything. I used to spend a lot of time at the ESP board and guess a little of that rubbed off on me. Cuz there you have to be ready to defend yourself against anything. So is the bottom line I should try the boss ge7 eq pedal and work from there? thanks folks and sorry if I came across as closed minded or rude.

[Lesser Known God]

Re: boss eq and metalzone

Originally posted by Chuckracer:
Uh oh, Busted! Open mouth...insert foot...repeat as necessary... [img]graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Muahahaha! I love doing that! [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] No harm no foul dude.

Jackson16: Yes, As Chuck said, start with the GE-7 and see if that will help you... But if you still need a bit more umph, DO NOT get the Metalzone... IT'll destroy your tone... Get the TS-10 as I suggested... It's a VERY transparent effect. Adds more gain without coloring the signal.

[JacksonJuiceBox]

Re: boss eq and metalzone

A Boss SuperOverDrive will do the trick, just emulates a tube screamer, its what I use because I couldn't find a TS. It just doesn't have the mystique to it.

[jackson16]

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Im not going to get the metalzone. dont worry. I just said I heard it was ok. Ill try to track down that ibanez ts10 after I get an eq. Is the boss ge7 eq the best bang for the buck?

[Hotrod]

Re: boss eq and metalzone

Im not going to get the metalzone. dont worry

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pheww. Tonal disaster averted once again. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] J/K Glad to see you're open to some suggestions before going to an extreme. I have a boss GE-7 and I like it very much. Of course I only used it w/ a Marshall and haven't even tried it yet with my Mesa. I really haven't felt the need yet. We'll see. I think for a stomp box, it's a pretty safe bet. A lot of guys on here however, use rack EQ's and seem to have a great deal of success. I just don't know what kind of price range they are. Good luck.

With VENTT going there separate ways after the show on the 5th (With Annah's band Boneglove!), I figured it was time to take on a new nick

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That sucks. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img] I thought VENTT rocked. I hope everything is OK. I'm assuming it's just a "Everybody kind of wants to do something different for a while" kind of thing? Best of luck to you and everyone in the band. There's a ton of talent there. You will all do well at whatever you decide to do. Oh well, so much for hoping to see you guys come to the Great Northwest for a show. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img] Take care and Rock On Troy and Matt (and the rest). [img]graemlins/band.gif[/img]

[jackson16]

Re: boss eq and metalzone

I wasnt ever going to run out and buy a metalzone form the begingin. I guess I stated some things unclearly in the beginging. Im going to ask about the ge7 eq next time im at my local shop. Maybe Ill be lucky and theyll have one in stock I can test out.

[OklaStrat]

Re: boss eq and metalzone

Few observations from an 'old guy' - take em or leave em:

1) Most high gain amps with the preamps dimed and the master cranked sound like hairy ass. As you turn the master up, the preamp needs to come down.

2) Gain does not equal 'heavy'.

3) Rectos work best with the eq pretty much at noon with small (like from 10 o'clock to 2 o'clock) variations. If I see someone with a rectifier head and any of the eq knobs are dimed or totally cut, I know it's going to sound horrible.

4) An eq pedal belongs in the effects loop for the most tonal control.

5) Boost/overdrive pedals work best with low to medium gain amps. You don't get as much noticable gain into an amp that's already saturated like a boogie, slo, vht, etc.

6) If you're playing in a band, you'll want your mids normal or boosted, bass cut a little, and presence treble probably middle or boosted a bit. Cranking your bass sounds ok in a bedroom, but at a gig just makes your band sound like sludge.

7) *putting on flame suit* If you need more gain than a modern amp gives (ie recto, slo, vht, etc) - you might want to think about practicing more.

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Pete

[jackson16]

Re: boss eq and metalzone

Well I practice enough I think. I go for an hour to 3 hours a day. I need an eq is what im thinking. Because Ive heard rectifiers were notourious for being a little muddy at times. So I guess I wont know till I get my boss eq pedal and tweak it for a bit. As for the band situation,
Im in the process of trying to start a thrash metal or any type of metal band right now but where Im at there isnt a whole lot of people who dig it. So If can get a killer sound and play metal maybe Ill get noticed over everyone else around here who plays punk. thanks folks

[Ace]

Re: boss eq and metalzone

I'd get the EQ and see where that gets you. That could be the awnser to your problems, if it isn't completely, at least you can still use it. I'd say that's more likely to be the awnser than overdriving the input. I've played a Metal Zone into a high gain amp before, and I play death metal too, but that was just insane. There is a point where gain gets to be too much, like when you can't tell what the fudge your playing, and all you get is this monstrous hissy feedback.

I have a TS9. What's the difference between that and the TS10?