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Can the voodu valve get a nice crunchy Iced Earth tone? This is something I"m seriously considering picking up. Just because it does get quite a bit of praise around here, and in general. But can it do that Iced Earth rhythmn tone at all? perhaps with teh right power amp? Any suggestions? Or point me in a better direction. Thanks
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Hmmm... I'd have to say you won't "quite" get there with a voodu... Close, But, that Iced Earth Timbre is somewhat elusive.
The main IE rhythm sound is of course Schaffer's all tube Larry Amp head with a BBE422a. Pretty unique timbre.
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yeah, but I could get somewhat close to that kind of tone? I'm not looking to be EXACT or anything. Just using that sound as a basis.
you have a voodu valve, its pretty versatile isn't it?
Would you be better off with a 5150 head and the proper "extras" (sonic maximizers, hush units) to get closer to that kind of tone?Comment
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Well, I like the 5150s a lot. But I think I like the Voodu better...
They are pretty flexible. Nice clean sounds and quite brutal sounds, lotsa effects etc... You can get brutal and the HUSH really damps the noise nicely...
My only complaint is a slight lack of the live bouncy tone a high end tube head/preamp has. But, no lower end preamp will have that anyways.
The voodu will be more flexible by far and will put you in a position that will make upgrades easier in the future.
[ April 20, 2003, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: Cleveland Metal ]Comment
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thanks alot. You never cease to be a helpful asset to this place.Comment
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Amen. ^^
"But, no lower end preamp will have that anyways." Can you list a preamp that is higher 'end', so to speak, to a voodu, but not too high? Prices in Oz on these things are sky-high.
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Have anyone tried ENGL preamps? In particular ENGL e530 and ENGL Tube Toner?
sorry for my bad english.Comment
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Hmm, hard question really.
Although some of the Engle stuff seems to do well for a fair price,it seems you really have to jump in price a lot to get that real tube bounce that doesn't seem too canned.
If you aren't looking for mega distortion, you can get away with stuff like the Soldano SP77 or Hafler/bogner Triple Giant, Engle 2 and 3 channel preamps.
To get some heavy distortion, I ended with the CAE3+se, and still had to do lots of tweaking through EQ and guitar mounted preamps etc, to get exactly what I wanted as it was not brutal enough just plugging in.
Honestly, I'm still not quite where I want to be. But, as good as I've ever been, haha...
I hear the VHT GP3 is pretty cool for around a grand new and is MIDI controllable etc. I believe it is more scooped sound oriented it seems from reviews I get.
Bang for buck though, the Voodus are pretty cool. I do have a feeling you could eek some good mean tones out of the SP77's/Triple Giants/Engles with some creative tone crafting and patience.
Basically, I've found that there is a reason for the expensive amps and preamps. There's a life or depth to the sound in them that doesn't quite seem to be in the cheaper stuff that's all.
Remember, many people will never hear or notice what I mean. And many will be quite happy with a lower end preamp. If you don't notice it, be happy and devote to playing. I spend way too much time and though tweaking tones... Ugh...Comment
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He he, i spend too much time on this board - instead i should tweak my sound. Cleve, those Voodus, are they powered by an external (12V DC?) adapter or does it take mains directly? I am considering trying something else than my JMP-1 and it's like you're pasting "Voodu Valve" into every post you make [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]Comment
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right now I am really digging the Soilwork's sound, on A predator's Portait. When you are talking brutal tone....where would you gauge that Soilwork tone? I'm just wondering what your reference points are. I know you think Kataklysm is pretty damned brutal (which it is) are you somewhere in between those as far the tone you get out of yoru gear?Comment
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The Voodu has a wall unit adapter that is a huge assed 3.5 amp 9VAC adapter. That would be the main bummer about the unit.
Well, as far as me mentioning it a lot. I can only say that after spending a ton of dough on misc preamps, I just think the Voodu is brutal, cool and pretty cheap. I use a CAE3+se now... They are priced at around $1700 new now. In price comparision, bang for buck, the Voodu is cool.
As far as my sound now... Here is an MP3 that I made the other day screwing around with ideas with my drummer. It's just cheesy recording of VERY raw (embarrassing), unrehearsed noodling of some ideas (just grabbed a guitar cold and playing badly).
The tone is a straight non-effected sound that being weaked still with the Parametric from this setting (in other words, I think it sucks). But, it will give you somewhat of an idea.
EMG81>PA-2 Preamp>CAE3+se>PQ-3>VHT2150
I can get somewhat more brutal even with more harmonic squeals etc. But, that's really best left to slower stuff. For fast stuff, I have keep a lid on it or I lose definition etc.
And actually, I think the Voodu has a bit more chug than the CAE, but the CAE is a bit more live sounding, and has some very cool character that I like. Honestly, I'm still seeking the tone in my head. This will do for a bit I guess.
http://www.clevelandmetalzone.com/mp3/f-ing-around.mp3
[ April 21, 2003, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: Cleveland Metal ]Comment
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I've been thinking now, (as I tend to do) and I thought why don't I get a nice tube power amp first. VHT or ENGL poweramp. Since I"m a poorass weiner head. I will get that and see how my flextone's preamp section sounds through that. That might satisfy me for a while. Cuz I really don't midn the sounds I get out of the flextone II plus, but at high volumes...its just...blegh. There's this weird wispy sound when I let a high note sustain. BUt it gets me enough distortion. I'm just craving Tubes, perhaps. Do you think that is a decent Idea for now? it'd be like a POD into a big fat Tube power amp.Comment
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You'll still fall short on the high volume I'll figure. But, you do have to start somewhere and your idea is just fine. Save for a nice tube power amp if rackdom the direction you want to go.Comment
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Only for example, sample of e530 through... I don`t know exactly, but guitar probably ESP Horizon (Japan not LTD).
http://victhor.front.ru/preamps/engl.mp3
(sample recorded by friend of mine - he bought e530 recently, not without my advice [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] )Comment
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I like it being fed by an adapter - it means that i (theoretically) could buy one off a certain JCF member and make it work here in Europe, he he hint hint [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]Originally posted by Cleveland Metal:
The Voodu has a wall unit adapter that is a huge assed 3.5 amp 9VAC adapter. That would be the main bummer about the unit.
Thanks for the great sample. I dig your sound, Cleve. Brutal, not over the top mudfest, and i can hear every tone you are playing = good player and good definition. And i bet it sounds ten times better live that this recorded sample...?
When i listen to it several times in my headphones i can hear some kind of light white noise overlaying the guitar sound. Hard to describe and hard to hear with the drums also there. High frequency buzz or something. Easier to hear in the very short break near the end where you shred alone. Is that part of the sound or is it coming from the recording/mic ?
Do you have any samples done with the Voodu Valve?Comment
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