ok, preamps.

[Gilbert]

Re: ok, preamps.

I havent heard much about the vendetta as far as people who have played through it. I wish there was a site with sound clips from all these amps. I watched all the videos from the ampfest, but most are heads, not preamps. Besides, the link doesnt seem to work anymore.

[pro-fusion]

Re: ok, preamps.

I don't use the effects on my Chameleon, since I'm plugging one of its outputs straight into the ADA Ampulator (which is a mono in/out signal path). I use my 2101 strictly for effects, and it is absolutely great for that, even though I don't use the preamp section in it at all anymore. I highly recommend keeping your 2101 as an effects device. It has high quality effects and will do wacky effects chains better than anything else out there. The Chameleon isn't that cold, if you have a tube power section following it. But then, I prefer a very crisp sound, and I'm not big on 'vintage' anymore. For extreme metal, I would highly recommend the Chameleon.

[redmanjj]

Re: ok, preamps.

I thought I liked my MP-1, until I got an MP-2. The gain is way better on the MP-2 and to me does have a better "feel" overall.

Mp-1's kick ass. MP-2's kick the rest of the body. [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

[Gilbert]

Re: ok, preamps.

Even though i like my g-major's reverbs/chorus's/delay's better, the 2101 definatly has some great weird effects. I probably will still keep it in there just for those.

[StuTDavis]

Re: ok, preamps.

I'm personally of the opinion that, anytime you're looking to get new gear, if there's ANY way you can keep the old gear it's replacing until you have the new gear, do it. Of course there are lots of times where you have no choice, "gotta sell so I can afford to buy". But, what really sucks is when you ditch a piece of gear to supposedly "upgrade", only to find that you really preferred, or wish you'd kept, that old piece of gear, and it's now going to be a pain trying to find another.

Stu

[horns666]

Re: ok, preamps.

I like my JMP-1 ...I gravitae to that sound more than my Uber...It gets the coolest Marshall Tones man ...very Real and authentic Marshall...

No other preamp could capture that ....of course you big buck boutique preamps that are built like brick sh1thouse but only the JMP-1 gets the Marshall tone ...it's by far not the most brutal tone ...it's does feel Stiff (a 'lil delay helps) , Articulate , Defined and tight and VERY ALIVE and edgy all the splender that is a cool Marshall in a cheap itty bitty package ..

That is MY very own humble opinion since I bought this thig new back in '96..

besides a very "Tweaked" and carefully and metaiculously refined CAE ($1200) it's the best preamp Iv'e ever played ...I like it better than the Voodoo Valve , although the Voodoo Valve is a bit more flexible and has a bit more gain but it is muddy and lifeless...to my ears. The voodovalve that I played through was liked , tweaked , and owned by Cleveland Metal ...so it could of not possibly sounded any better than that....it's nice but NO CIGAR in my opinion ...John will differ but he owed a Crappy factory seconds or screwed up JMP-1 when judging it ...his did sound like crap ...something definately wrong with that one ..without question.

This would only be important if your lookin for a authentic Marshall tone ...I don't settle for close ..."close" is a comprimise .

[ July 24, 2003, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: horns666 ]

[StuTDavis]

Re: ok, preamps.

Bill,

I tell ya, I gotta get you to hear my Egnater rig's Marshall modules somehow. Got that Marshall edge in spades, all that articulation and liveliness, real tube character, with awesome feel to boot. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Stu

[horns666]

Re: ok, preamps.

Stu ...yes I must check that out as we discissed before ...I am very curious ...I may have to sell the Uber a Metal Monster it is but I'm not crazy about it's tone ...not at all.....It's brutal but Hairy , Noisy , Mushy and Farty everything I didn't like in the first place when I bought this expensive piece of crap....My favorite Tone I ever heard is my Home Rig ...period!!!

Y'know the Hell with it ...that's what I'm using ...who cares!!!

My stuff here sounds much better than our stuff at practice ....I'm just being really frigging honest right now ....Boutique amps can kiss my ass !!!

I'll dial up a 5150 or my Marshall and be just as fuggin' good..and save a few Grand ...for important things like Doritos , Snack Pack pudding and such...

All these Primadonna wannabes with their bullsh1t blowing all this smoke about tubes and crap is getting their asses kicked by some kid with a cheap Valvestate , 5150 a Marshall and a stomp box ...

Let's shut up and start playin our gutars...

Besides I don't care if you use Uber , VHT , CAE , Soldano , Engl or a friggin Crate ,,,the soundman will fukk up your sound anyway ...Just Get some decent and loud and play your damn ass off and people will be happy ....all but a few don't care what the hell your using anyway ...and the one that do probably just some "know it all" Dork that like to Read Anp schematics instead of playing his guitar.

Wow Stu ...where in the hell did all this tension come from...I need thearapy!!! [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Fukk it ...who cares ...just frikkin' play somethin' already!!!!!!

The Uber is so awesome and I hate.

I play much , much , much , much better at home with my "DSP Digital White Noise Sh1T amp" ...isn't playing better the key here or is it having the most expensive amp on the block ...this sh1t is sooooo stupid already!!!!

Jeff Loomis and Romeo uses this "Garbage" (line 6) and they SMOKE all of us in Tone and Playing ...ALL OF US ...Get It ...All OF US!!!!!!!

They smoke me , John and you Stu ...They Smoke us....Dammit ...let's look at the reality here!!! [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

OK I'm going to play my "Garbage" now and be very happy

Later

[ July 24, 2003, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: horns666 ]

[petedz]

Re: ok, preamps.

Haven't posted in a while.

although the Voodoo Valve is a bit more flexible and has a bit more gain but it is muddy and lifeless...to my ears

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmmm...turn down the gain.

On my best patches, the gain is down and the "balls and chunk" comes from using the eq. At higher gain settings everything mushes together just like you say.

The Voodu gets my vote--I have two of 'em. [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[horns666]

Re: ok, preamps.

Yes you are correct sir....but it still don't sound like a Marshall...That's for sure !!

[horns666]

Re: ok, preamps.

Here's My point the CAE is cool ..the vood valve is OK that Sansamp is ehhhhhhhhhh I guess OK....

But there is something missing ...Life ...it's just not ALIVE . Marshalls have that..

John 's rig is about the best I heard for a Non Marshall Rig but to me there is still that something missing that I notice immediately!!!

It's a give and take I assume ...My prefrence is a Stiff , Punchy , Defined tone with Tons of Harmonics and Attack (Stiffness) but the CAE lacks the latter.. therefore somethings missing and there goes my feel that I need to execute all my playing abilties ....and that doesn't make a good amp choice to fit my needs IMO

That's why I'm interested in the Egnator that Stu has mentioned. But I will most like keep playing what my ears and hands are used to ...because really My Marshall has never given me a bad day and always sound consistant ....Those are good things ..I guess! I never have to tweak this thing ..I just turn it on and GO!!

Everything else is Tweak City and that Robs me of quality Guitar time!!!

I am so sick of tweaking ...I not going to chase my tail looking for the Holy Grail.....That'll NEVER happen

But I will write kick ass "Original" Metal that will kick your fuggin' ass ...this I could do!!!

[ July 24, 2003, 08:40 PM: Message edited by: horns666 ]

[charvelguy]

Re: ok, preamps.

Oh, I think the tube(s) you chose make a difference of the overall character of the sound.. you can make up in differing the gain or eq to a degree, but tubes do have character and they do have tonal qualities which you can audibly hear differences in. You should argue that with a hardcore audio person, and they have the time and the money to invest into dailing the sound they want rather than listening to a Telex solid state amp.

Maybe you should define "wannabee" and "lifeless" further. My first great amp was a '74 Marshall JMP, which I had been playing clubs with when I was 16 until it was stolen. Marshalls vary from amp to amp, especially in gauging a 25-30 year old amp, there are alot of factors to consider.
I bought another '74 last year. It's modded to the point it looks like a spiderweb inside, but it's a great ballsy amp and it can do alot.. it's way different than a vudoo valve. Doesn't mean I can't get usable tones from my Rocktron.

It's a matter of preference, I'm lucky enough to have a dozen or more amps to chose from.

btw.. it's Hebrew for adversary, which translated to greek, then latin, then english.

[ July 24, 2003, 09:35 PM: Message edited by: charvelguy ]

[horns666]

Re: ok, preamps.

It's just a Full Circle kind of thing man..

I owned and played just about every friggin' "Cool" amp imaginable for the last 20 years....

It's easy to get Sucked into all this "Tone Hype" and spend thousands getting there just to be part of the "Boutique click" . But in all reality you really don't have anything special at all and are even more disgusted because you bought into this [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] ...like me.

The Grass is greener on both sides..

Boutique are nicely built , somewhat justifying the cost. But at the end of the day it's a glorified wannbe Marshall that just isn't as good..

Marshall Forever [img]graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img]

[ July 24, 2003, 11:58 PM: Message edited by: horns666 ]

[StuTDavis]

Re: ok, preamps.

Bill,

What you say seems very true to me--a lot of amps are just varied shades of other amps. Not being an amp tech kinda guy, my guess would be that there's only so many limited different things you can do in building an amp, and probably anything too far off the beaten trail gives you "instant crap". So, you have those few basic starting sounds that amp makers/modders start with, then they just do little tweakings of those basic amps to get different flavors, to suit personal taste.

Talking to the Egnater guys really sold me on that one, now that you mention it. Seemed every time I was asking about having a module made for the M4 based on some amp, they'd say "well that's just a such-and-such, but with more ____ ". Or..."just fiddle with your outboard EQ or add a distortion pedal and you'll probably get there". That sorta thing. They seemed really keen on not doing stuff that's not going to be worth your money. Like making custom modules that might not sound much different than their stock ones. They'd rather have you try a cheap EQ or pedal first. Just like I said above, they seem to consider there are a few basic starting amp sounds, and it's just fiddling with those sounds from there to get where you want to go. Interesting stuff...

Stu

[DeathIsMyJustice]

Re: ok, preamps.

rack Vs head

I have a rack with a Mesa tri and a sol sp 77 pre amps running into a mesa 2:90 I love this rack, I live rack very much... I like having lots of things I can change my sound with

But

when I play live a a normal size gig and Im only going to take 1 cab + a amp, Ill take my 5150 head and mesa cab...

I play death metal and playing in a death metal band the 5150 is amazing

RaR!