tight bottom end

[Cleveland Metal]

Re: tight bottom end

With a Crate no less.

Who'd have ever thought that??

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Guess I'm sellin the CAE3+se and the VHT2150...

[Boxcar Willie 84]

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Man, the GT-3/Crate setup must be awesome, but I don't think it's quite on par with a Rectifier. In fact I myself have a Crate GFX212 that I want to replace with a Single Rec halfstack. PRSK it is cool that you are getting so into gear at age 11, but please listen to guys like John and Chuck because they know what they're talking about and you can really learn a lot from them...I know I have over the years...

[Cleveland Metal]

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I do hate to admit it. But, a friend of mine actually got some cool sounds out of his GT-3 played into a tube power amp. He played in a Skid Row Tribute and was doing OK at it. It was cool for some nights, then other nights, it got really buzzsaw sounding. He had a lot of wild harmony presets programmed into that thing. And it was fairly useable I guess.

The GT-3 solid state tight edgey distortion is a HIGHLY different animal than the Recto. If you really like the GT-3, you'll prolly never like the recto. You may find older Marshalls with a good pedal, more to your liking than the MESA.

[Black Mariah]

Re: tight bottom end

Then again, maybe he likes the tone he has now and just wants MORE of it. I know the feeling. I managed to nail the tone I always wanted with a Zoom 505 and Peavey Renown combo amp. Too bad the Renown sucks so much that at gig volume it dies and vomits blood.

Personally there are probably a dozen amps I'd go for before I even considered a Mesa. Tone is subjective.

[toddstaples]

Re: tight bottom end

Originally posted by Chuckracer:
He's not using any cab, John, nor does he have a Recto. He's like 11 or something. He's just playing stuff at Guitar Center and asking questions.

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[Cleveland Metal]

Re: tight bottom end

Yea, Michael is right. What bottom are you using? A recto Bottom will make a lot of difference.

[Chuckracer]

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[Deneb]

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I have a triple rectifier 3 channel head. I have the Mesa 4x12 recto cab, however I do not like how it sounds.

Before I selected my triple rec, I played several of them, and as with all tube amps they sound slightly different.

Its goofy, people complain about no bottom end...I get plenty and its not muddy as all hell or getup or whatever you want to say.

I also have a Marshall TSL100, and I wish it had just a bit more gain.

I use the JCM900 1960 Marshall cabs and I get a fine sound out of them.

[11miles]

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Fisrst of all i agree about what Boxcar wille said about cleve and other superheroes here at JCF!

They (we) all can really help each other deciding on what to buy, try out in order to get what you want!

You surely did it for me, for now!

Now about the bottom end on mesa?
I have a friend with 50W recto going into 4x12 marshall cab. He uses ibanez 7 string, don't know which model but i never heard him complaint about lacking bottom end. Maybe it's the 7 string that does the difference.
Overall mesa are known for that grand midrange sound more than bassy so i would have to go along with cleve, if you like the boss gt3 sound you probably won't like the mesa.

As far as EMG is concerned i was very surprised about the sound it produces no matter if it is on mesa, ada, or marshall.
It is muddy no doubt about it! It does matter how you palm mute it and another 2 things help a lot in over muddyness situations always.
One is EQ (true;the more bands the marrier) and another is BBE!

I borrowed a friends 7ibanez (i have 2 friends with ibanez axe [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] ) with an EMG81/b. It sounded like crap to me! Turned on the bbe and it improved the sound grately. More bottom turn the right knob right or vice-versa!
Same is if you adjust the tone control on your(pre-)amp!
It's really how you like it, the EMG is a very diverse pu!

Hope my idea helps you?

[Alexi7]

Re: tight bottom end

hahahah B.M finally someone else who likes the 505...I get insanely heavy tone from it, its the best pedal i've ever used, everyone that actually knows how to set it up tends to agree. Recommended for all beginners, or for room practice. \m/

[Venomboy]

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I just A/B'd my Single Recto head and VHT Pittbull combo. The Recto is buzzy. The VHT is ultra clear.

I like the Recto tone but not the buzz. It's not a HUGE buzz but a buzz nonetheless. The EQ helps a ton. Also, I switched the Vintage setting and added more treble and presence and it sounds warmer and less buzzy than the Modern setting. The Boogie has TONS AND TONS of low end too. But my VHT combo does as well. I think I'l selling the Boogie.

[Dreamland_Rebel]

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i'm sure part of the problem is the fact that at GC you can't really crank the amp to its proper volume to push the tubes and speakers properly. you have to do this and then adjust your sound. dialing in (especially) tube amps at a low volume or with dead strings is a NO NO!

[Firebird V]

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That most certainly has to do with it. And when you crank that Crate and the Boss GT thing or whatever it is it is going to turn to craptacular noise when it is used at stage levels. I have a boss BR532 digital 4 track that has awesome sounds in it but it would sound like **** when run through a 4 x 12 and used as a preamp... Get the picture?

You always need to turn a rectifier UP to get it to sound good. Let the tubes sing a bit.

[Dreamland_Rebel]

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and the speakers

[prsk87]

Re: tight bottom end

im looking for the bottom end like on metallicas battery.hows the diezel vh4s.does that have tighter bottom.i know im only 13 but that could be one of my long term goals.save for 4000+.also how do marshalls and mesas sound differ.does the jcm800(the best one) have a tight bottom.or i should look into the vht ul