tight bottom end

[Firebird V]

Re: tight bottom end

You really need to go to some places and check out stuff at loud volumes for yourself. I would start with a 5150 go from there. You may find an amp that suits you in a price range that is reachable in a short time. Alot of the amps that you are calling out aren't readily available in a store so it will be difficult for you to check one out in person. Your best bet to hear them live would be waiting a few years until you can get into some local clubs. Have you checked out some line 6 stuff? It might be right for you and in your ballpark pricewise. I love tubes. But you really don't sound like you have the experience with either yet so something like a line 6 or a 5150 combo tube amp or something along those lines may do it for you. I have a Dual rectifier rackmount that I love. I also have 2 5150's that can get the sound you describe... Everyone has different ears. You need to hear them for yourself and not rely on everyone elses ears.

Also, It is the package, not just the head. Speakers.. effects... pickups... etc. You need to try it all out and get a good sense of what each individual piece can do to change the tone.
Some of us have been searching a lifetime to achieve the tone we hear in our head.

Good Luck.

[ September 12, 2003, 07:18 PM: Message edited by: Firebird V ]

[prsk87]

Re: tight bottom end

i only want to look at some of the best.because its not just for me its also for my dad.hes a recording artist and has pro tools and all that crap.i have to complement his cyber twin johnson and vox.he has no tube amps and no real power like the stuff i like

[Boxcar Willie 84]

Re: tight bottom end

James Hetfield used Mesa/Boogie Mark II C+'s and Marshall JCM 800s on all of Master of Puppets, and both of those amps have less low end than all the amps you've mentioned. The key to getting that tone was multi-tracking, and good post production in the studio...

[Firebird V]

Re: tight bottom end

Yeah. i thought we were talking about live applications here. Laying down tracks/mixdown is a whole different ball game. Example. I hate EMG pickups live, but for recording they are the cat's meow.

[ September 13, 2003, 05:50 AM: Message edited by: Firebird V ]

[JacksonJuiceBox]

Re: tight bottom end

Can any one point me in the right direction for getting an EQ. Right now I have a DSL 50, and the tone controls are worthless on that. I also want something bigger than like a 7 band EQ pedal. I don't really know the difference between, parametric, or graphic, but something with 31 bands or even 15 would be nice. I don't really see myself getting a new amp in the future, and my DSL is not really a 'tone monster'... I also don't want to spend more than 150$.

[the_drip]

Re: tight bottom end

MXR 10 band EQ costs around 130 collars w/shipping. They rock.

[Wizard of Ozz]

Re: tight bottom end

Tight bottom end = VHT UL

The VHT UL has the tightest low-end of any tube amp I've ever played. No flub whatsoever. Even the Diezel Herbert isn't as tight/focused sounding as the UL. The looser bass of the Dual Recto is just part of its tone and definitely works great for certain applications.

[Firebird V]

Re: tight bottom end

A parametric EQ will be able to dial in better. I use a parametric eq for certain stuff and then I also have a graphic eq ( I switch them on and off through patches/patchmate and foot controller [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] ) for other applications. I use the Parametric EQ way way more though. I use an old Boss rack unnit Parametric EQ and it is great. The furmann makes a pq 4 that is a good Parametric. It can be a bit noisy though. Are you going to run a noise gate? If so than that wont be a problem. You want to run the EQ in front of the gate. I run my EQ in my effects loop and it is awesome! It really dials in the amp.

[JacksonJuiceBox]

Re: tight bottom end

How much do the furmans go for?

[toejam]

Re: tight bottom end

Originally posted by Boxcar Willie 84:
James Hetfield used Mesa/Boogie Mark II C+'s and Marshall JCM 800s on all of Master of Puppets, and both of those amps have less low end than all the amps you've mentioned. The key to getting that tone was multi-tracking, and good post production in the studio...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not to mention the fact that a Duncan Invader was his pickup of choice on that album... which has more bass and low mids to it.

[Firebird V]

Re: tight bottom end

HEH HEH.... THAT IS MY PICKUP OF CHIOICE TOO!!!!

[toejam]

Re: tight bottom end

It is a great pickup. I bought two from Doc and put them in my Kelly last year. I no longer have the guitar, but I may eventually get another Invader. Talk about bass punch!!

[Firebird V]

Re: tight bottom end

I've got them in a RR1/ A Gibson Gothic V/ A Hamer Diablo/ A BC Rich Gunslinger... And I have a few laying around. I am going to put one in a Gibson Explorer this weekend too! I think they szound great. Good highs and lows with a nice mid section. They are hot but if you lower them into the body a bit they get the tone of the wood and still retain good string sensetivity. Try that with a JB or something along those lines and they get thin sounding like a single coil. I love Invaders.

[toejam]

Re: tight bottom end

I liked the Invader lower in the body, also. It seemed if it was up higher that you would get a lot of overtones from the strings, especially when palm muting. If using an amp with lower gain, then it would be better up closer to the strings.
The JB I wasn't that big a fan of, though it had sweet highs and high mids, it was missing some low end. I traded my JB for a DiMarzio Tone Zone and think that's really nice too.

[ September 15, 2003, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: toejam ]

[Boxcar Willie 84]

Re: tight bottom end

Where'd you find out that he used an Invader?