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**DerekB** · 11-21-2003, 03:41 PM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

Originally posted by toejam:
Get an old Marshall Valvestate... they rock!! I've still got my '92 8240 stereo chorus combo that's still going strong! Even Chuck from Death used a Valvestate, as well as James Murphy. [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

Granted Chuck's playing was alway's awesome but his tone for the most part sucked. I had an old valvestate years ago and it was mediocre at best.

Derek

**sevser** · 11-21-2003, 04:11 PM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

Double post.

[ November 21, 2003, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Dave ]

**sevser** · 11-21-2003, 04:12 PM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

I liked Chuck’s rhythm tone on Symbolic, but I never liked his lead tone.

**Mordor** · 11-21-2003, 04:13 PM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

Originally posted by Dave:
I liked Chuck’s rhythm tone on Symbolic, but I never liked his lead tone.

Yeah Dave,I really like that tone too,although I like also his lead tone.

Talkin about Obituary,I think they used a JCM800 with 4x10 cab...

[ November 21, 2003, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: Mordor ]

**Dreamland_Rebel** · 11-21-2003, 04:17 PM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

i saw them live on that tour and the sound was awful. i can't stand the valve state sound.

ROC PRO! hehheh

i just can't help it, such a great sounding head for so little cash.

**GWARGHOUL** · 11-21-2003, 04:53 PM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

The JCM 900...

What models are good/decent?
I was looking at a 4100 for $550.
It only has 3 preamp tubes...kinda made em think the gain wasn't all that high.

If the power amp is nice, powerful, and punchy...I can always use a good preamp.

What do you guys think of these amps?
Can they do megadeth/in flames heavy music?

**sevser** · 11-21-2003, 05:32 PM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

Originally posted by Dreamland_Rebel:
i saw them live on that tour and the sound was awful. i can't stand the valve state sound.

ROC PRO! hehheh

i just can't help it, such a great sounding head for so little cash.

I thought the Roc pro sounded like a weak Valvstate when I a/b'd the two a couple years ago, through the same cab. Maybe it was that one amp.

**Steve** · 11-21-2003, 05:42 PM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

[quote]Originally posted by randyvanmalmsteen:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Steve:
if ya want a cheap head that sounds awesome try the peavey XXL they sound great they have so much gain it's unbeliveable , as far as I am concerned it ass kicks both the 5150 and the triple x <blockquote>quote:<hr />

C'mon man,you have to be kidding? [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] better than a 5150,or XXX, dude the damn thing is a S.S copy of the XXX,how can it be better?

Originally posted by DerekB:

Really? I found that amp to be one of the worst sounding amps I ever heard or played and would take any of the other's you mentioned minus the Rivera without a 2nd thought.

Derek

Derek <hr /></blockquote>I dont think there is any chance in hell i would go S.S over the 5150,XXX,or a used all tube whatever [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
the word trans-tube alone makes me want to [img]graemlins/puke.gif[/img]
S.S has the worst, SH**TTY,tinny,non musical overdrive ever [img]graemlins/rant.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] <hr /></blockquote>hey man you asked a ****ing question so you got a ****ing answer , soild state stuff don't suck and for High gain stuff I would put mine up againist any of the amps you guys have been talking about and I have , back to back with the 5150 the reverra any marshall and 2 mesa dual rectifers , I also teach music and work in a music store and play in 3 metal bands and do shows and recordings every month , so trust me buddy I wouldn't recomend **** to ya , don't slam it till you try it bud , most of the newer recordings in metal or the good ones are all useing Valvestates they are solid state aren't they ? but I have never tryed a deziel or any bogner stuff yet so I can't comment on that , but I can get the 5150 tone out of my ****ty soildstate amp as you would call her no problem at all and it sounds better and clearer than the 5150 . //Steve

**buzzsaww** · 11-21-2003, 06:10 PM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

remember 12ax7's have two gain stages in them, depends on the circuit design. more tubes does not necessarily mean better.

Originally posted by GWARGHOUL:
The JCM 900...

What models are good/decent?
I was looking at a 4100 for $550.
It only has 3 preamp tubes...kinda made em think the gain wasn't all that high.

If the power amp is nice, powerful, and punchy...I can always use a good preamp.

What do you guys think of these amps?
Can they do megadeth/in flames heavy music?

**Demon** · 11-22-2003, 12:42 AM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

Regarding the Peavey XXL - I went out amp hunting with a friend of mine and one store had the 5150 (I think the II version) , a XXX and an XXL. I had tried the 5150 in the past and hated it but this time I liked it. Then the XXX which I'd never played but heard so much about. HATED it. What a let down. Then the XXL. Had no expectations whatsoever for this amp. Just plugged it in for kixx. I was amazed. I couldn't believe how much I liked it. I would go buy one right now if I wasn't unemployed at the moment. It's first on my list when I can drop the money, and it's not much money either. Another SS amp that blew me away on the clips only (never played one) was the Randall Cyclone.

**randyvanmalmsteen** · 11-22-2003, 01:16 AM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

[quote]Originally posted by Steve:
if ya want a cheap head that sounds awesome try the peavey XXL they sound great they have so much gain it's unbeliveable , as far as I am concerned it ass kicks both the 5150 and the triple x <blockquote>quote:<hr />

C'mon man,you have to be kidding? [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] better than a 5150,or XXX, dude the damn thing is a S.S copy of the XXX,how can it be better?

Originally posted by DerekB:

Really? I found that amp to be one of the worst sounding amps I ever heard or played and would take any of the other's you mentioned minus the Rivera without a 2nd thought.

Derek

Derek <hr /></blockquote>I dont think there is any chance in hell i would go S.S over the 5150,XXX,or a used all tube whatever [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
the word trans-tube alone makes me want to [img]graemlins/puke.gif[/img]
S.S has the worst, SH**TTY,tinny,non musical overdrive ever [img]graemlins/rant.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

**jgcable** · 11-22-2003, 01:39 AM

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Derek [/qb][/QUOTE]I dont think there is any chance in hell i would go S.S over the 5150,XXX,or a used all tube whatever [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
the word trans-tube alone makes me want to [img]graemlins/puke.gif[/img]
S.S has the worst, SH**TTY,tinny,non musical overdrive ever [img]graemlins/rant.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [/QB][/QUOTE]

That is a totally uniformed off base observation. Rush recorded practically the entire Moving Pictures Album using a GK ML250. Alex even used the amp live. Anthrax uses solid state, Pantera, Disturbed uses a SS/Tube hybrid, Danzig and many more use SS. Many jazz players use amps made by Polytone. They are all SS and get incredible reviews. I had an Ampeg SS140C that was solid state and was awesome. Malmsteen used a Fender Roc Pro 1000 for some of his instructional videos and guitar clinics. It is solid state. CC Deville used the RG100ES. Isn't the Roland JC120 Jazz Chorus a SS amp? C'mon bro.. I love tubes but you are a little off base regarding SS.

**Hetfield** · 11-22-2003, 01:44 AM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

Tube amps rule!!!

i used to hate them..

oh the cyclone blows donkey balls..

tubes are the only solution

**jgcable** · 11-22-2003, 07:57 AM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

Originally posted by Black_Label:
Tube amps rule!!!

i used to hate them..

oh the cyclone blows donkey balls..

tubes are the only solution

At least for now... [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

**randyvanmalmsteen** · 11-22-2003, 10:34 AM

Re: Overall best ultra high gain shreddin amp for metal

[quote]Originally posted by Steve:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by randyvanmalmsteen:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Steve:
if ya want a cheap head that sounds awesome try the peavey XXL they sound great they have so much gain it's unbeliveable , as far as I am concerned it ass kicks both the 5150 and the triple x <blockquote>quote:<hr />

C'mon man,you have to be kidding? [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] better than a 5150,or XXX, dude the damn thing is a S.S copy of the XXX,how can it be better?

Originally posted by DerekB:

Really? I found that amp to be one of the worst sounding amps I ever heard or played and would take any of the other's you mentioned minus the Rivera without a 2nd thought.

Derek

Derek <hr /></blockquote>I dont think there is any chance in hell i would go S.S over the 5150,XXX,or a used all tube whatever [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
the word trans-tube alone makes me want to [img]graemlins/puke.gif[/img]
S.S has the worst, SH**TTY,tinny,non musical overdrive ever [img]graemlins/rant.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] <hr /></blockquote>hey man you asked a ****ing question so you got a ****ing answer , soild state stuff don't suck and for High gain stuff I would put mine up againist any of the amps you guys have been talking about and I have , back to back with the 5150 the reverra any marshall and 2 mesa dual rectifers , I also teach music and work in a music store and play in 3 metal bands and do shows and recordings every month , so trust me buddy I wouldn't recomend **** to ya , don't slam it till you try it bud , most of the newer recordings in metal or the good ones are all useing Valvestates they are solid state aren't they ? but I have never tryed a deziel or any bogner stuff yet so I can't comment on that , but I can get the 5150 tone out of my ****ty soildstate amp as you would call her no problem at all and it sounds better and clearer than the 5150 . //Steve <hr /></blockquote>Hey i up for at least hearing one? I mean WTF hearing is believing,and IF it is as great as you say,maybe i will be a convert [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] if so it would be the first and ONLY non tube high gain that i liked? all the others sound like [img]graemlins/puke.gif[/img]

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