push the front of an analogue amp modller?

[toejam]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

No problem. The California/Mesa channel is great for higher gain sounds over the Marshall, but I'd still use an OD pedal into it for an extra boost. If I had only a cabinet and power amp, I'd definitely run this pedal into it as the preamp without a need for anything else.

[Newc]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

Ok, you guys seem to get bent all out of shape STILL over his initial comment about being better than Petrucci in 2 years, but since I don't listen to DT or anything else he's done, why don't you guys clue me in as to how good he is. Is he a flawless technician with unmatched melodic sense, perfect timing, and truly heartfelt phrasing? Or is he "Avant Garde"?
Seriously, even Mozart, Pagannini, Beethoven, and Vivaldi had someone better than them come along.
I have no doubt that if MT possesses the talent and pursues the goal, he WILL be better than Petrucci. Of course, I don't agree that Petrucci is as good as some of you guys say he is, but like I said, I don't listen to him.

The point? Lay off the guy about it. You can admire Petrucci all you want, but he's certainly not the Be All, End All, and you have no place to tell someone else who they will and will not be better than in the future.

Newc

[jgcable]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

Hey Newc... I have said it before and I will say it again. The only person here that can smoke Petrucci is me. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Unfortunately the only people that hear me are my fellow bandmates (yes!! I am in a new band) and the patrons of the local dives we will be playing at. I brought up his comment about Petrucci based on his initial question of why he wasn't getting enough gain and distortion out of his Tri-OD and Zoom pedals using an acoustic/electric guitar with a piezo plugged into his computer. C'mon bro... you gotta see the irony in that.

[toejam]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

You want irony? I saw a guy playing a dreadnaught acoustic through a Marshall half stack one time! He probably had some soundhole pickup on it and some kind of processor, but it didn't sound all that bad. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] I just thought it was pretty wrong, of course, to be playing a regular acoustic guitar through an electric amp. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[mt]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

Yea, the output on the acoustic electric isn't that low at all. it does have an onboard preamp that takes batteries... As most piezo guitars have 'em.

But of course... I wouldn't practice/gig with distortion on that guitar... no question about it.

I think I'll record some with the guitar and zoom and you guys can see for yourselves... It's not bad, just a lot of feedback and more messy with the sensitive piezos.

Thanks Newc T_T (tearing.. I don't know if you guys in North america use this smiley) ...

[Jeremy]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

Listen to James Hetfield doing the solo for Nothing Else Matters on S&M, thats with an acoustic. Sounds okay.

[mt]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

btw,

My initial question is not

"why he wasn't getting enough gain and distortion out of his Tri-OD and Zoom pedals using an acoustic/electric guitar with a piezo plugged into his computer"

The unit simply doesn't have enough gain by itself for what I want. I was asking for experiences on boosting signals before such modellers, and Toejam answered that question nicely.

[mt]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

Ok...

my roommate left for a shower so I can play some.
Here's the piezo acoustic electric through zoom606. Doesn't sound THAT bad compared to a solid body. But yeah I can definately feel how the piezo is not designed to be distorted [img]graemlins/eyes.gif[/img]

http://individual.utoronto.ca/monting/Sound21.mp3

The zoom can probably take sound from a flute and turn it into this... I made patches that are MUCH heavier than this... and They actually sound pretty good IMO.. Although you can still hear the digitized nature of the sound...

Don't laugh at my mistakes -_- ... I haven't practiced anything like this for quite a while.

oh forgot to mention... its piezo guitar > zoom606 > computer... No amp. If I turn my stereo up... people in the next building can probably hear it... So... don't underestimate the power of computers + hifi stereos(with a woofer of course)! Plus.. it's damn convenient to record.

[ March 24, 2004, 10:37 PM: Message edited by: mt ]

[Chuckracer]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

Geez Newc, your gonna bring a tear to my eye.

After reading the brothers first post, and then he asks THIS question, yeah, I figured he's just being a smartass now.

Besides, if you know nothing about Petrucci, why the hell are you defending MTs playing and words so adamantly?

Maybe you should settle down.

[mt]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

Wait, so, you're suggesting that I came here to boast, then asks misleading questions, and then show that I'm smart. So all that I'm doing is some manipulative thing to shit around with you guys? [img]graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]

If that's what you mean, or reasonably close... All I'd say is wow...

Ok... ALL THIS TIME, I've been mixing up OBJECTIVE AND SUBJECTIVE. How come nobody corrected me?? [img]images/icons/blush.gif[/img]

[Chuckracer]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

Don't try to psyco-anaylize me on a guitar bulliten board, son.

[ March 25, 2004, 12:25 AM: Message edited by: Chuckracer ]

[mt]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

Dad... calm down...

I was merely trying to intepret what you said...

[mt]

push the front of an analogue amp modller?

Ok, I just recieved my tech 21 sansamp tri ac last night. It sounds great for rythm, but I feel that there's definately not enough gain for soloing [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img] ...

Remembering Toejam's suggestion I put my old zoom 606 pedal in front of the tri ac, and tweaked a zoom patch to the purest distortion, and another to pure overdrive.

Still doesn't sound very good... A little more gain but not much difference... But then I am using an acoustic electric with a piezo pickup... And maybe a real, good overdrive pedal instead of zoom would sound good?

Anybody have experience on how to get good high gain lead sounds from the tri ac or similar modellers? In fact some of my zoom's tweaked patches sound better than tri ac for lead...

[mt]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

HAHAHAHAHAHAH you corrected your spelling from
psyco-analize to psyco-anaylize. And guess what... it's still wrong! [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I was wondering if you wrote 'analize' on purpose and it's supposed to be metaphoric. I guess not! [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Chuckracer]

Re: push the front of an analogue amp modller?

"...I am using an acoustic electric with a piezo pickup..."

What?

I think I've found the problem! Maybe a solidbody electric guitar with a good humbucker would fix the problem.