The Downfall of Line 6?

[toejam]

Re: The Downfall of Line 6?

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I can't shake the feeling I've read this thread at least twice before...

[/ QUOTE ]It's like that Iron Maiden song. "Cuz you know this has happened before. And you know that this moment in time is for real. And you know when you feel... Deja-vu". [img]/images/graemlins/band.gif[/img]

[Lordofgain]

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WTF Guys... This was a serious question on what would improve the Vetta. Really if you are biased to the Vetta I would say ignore teh topic because we have all heard the "tubes" comments.

Anyway lets get back to task and peace... All who have chimed in do you think a new power section would be the next logical step in improving the Vetta's sound

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Fact No.1 - In case you haven't noticed, EVERYONE is biased with regards to amps. No pun intended.

Fact No.2 - Tone is in your hands, not in your gear.

BTW I agree with you. I would love to see Line 6 rework their power section. I would actually love for them to offer a tube power section on their modellers. I would also like it an awful lot if they would offer a 2x12 closed back cabinet for that matter [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Ace]

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Those of you who say "tone is in your hands, not your gear" I invite you to play a Fender H.O.T. amp at your next gig. True, expression, fingers, soul, and all that jazz have a lot to do with your tone. But so do guitars, amps, PA's, cables, room acoustics, you name it.

[jgcable]

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"Fact No.2 - Tone is in your hands, not in your gear."

You obviously never played a Harmony brand Walmart strat through a Gorilla amp. Serious tone bro.

[hippietim]

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You can stand behind the Vetta all day long, but I hope no one here is endorsing the VeryAss(variax). Those things SUCK. No matter what is claims to sound like, that is one ugly crappy guitar that plays like a Hondo left out in the garage for 20 years.

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Again, it's a preference thing. Your description of the Variax is precisely how I describe the lowend Jackson imports [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Seriously, the original Variax left something to be desired in terms of looks. Playability was actually not that bad. The Variax 700 is an excellent guitar and I think it looks great too.

[lerxstcat]

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This is true, you have to have acceptable playability and enough gain to play metal. However, having said that, you can get enough tone to go ahead and fly with, say, a Squier Fat Strat and a Crate SS combo. Maybe not a great tone, but enough expression to go ahead and play, if you don't obsess about the tone not being good enough. It's great to have top notch gear, but there's also something to be said for being able to pick up anything semi-decent and play without wailing about the quality of the gear. Bystanders tend to consider that sniveling, and though I do understand it, most listeners would say "Shut up and play yer guitar". They see that stuff as making excuses. It's not a dream tone by any stretch, but I'll plug my old RP7 into the board and get a good enough sound to go ahead and play fluently enough, with my old Yamaha RGZ321. As a sit-in rig that weighs under 20 lbs total, guitar and processor, it's good enough that I have enough gain, can EQ and get okay clean, crunch and lead sounds, and play.
It's just enough "grease" sonically to go, and to me, if you have that, and play well, the lask of a perfect tone will draw less attention, as opposed to standing up there and b!tching about the sound, you look like someone who can't play making excuses, even when that's far from the case. It's how listeners perceive you, as opposed to players, who understand. The players ain't explaining your plight to the listeners though - they're folding arms going, "Yeah, I can do better that THAT dude!"

[jgcable]

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You have to have good amp sound in order to sound good.
You have to have a decent well set up guitar in order to play good.
The above statement is musician to musician. The audience (listeners) for the most part don't have a clue and most of the time they can't even tell the difference between the different instruments in a band. That is why they have a guy with the spotlight when you do a live gig. It isn't to make the soloist stand out. Its to let the dumbass audience know that the guitar on the left (or right) is playing the solo which is the louder of the instruments during the solo.
Most of the crowd doesn't care nor even knows the difference what type of amp you are playing. Only the player and the sound guy knows and cares. A Vetta 2 has enough power and volume to peel your skin off and has the ability to push as much air as any amp I have ever played through. More times than not, these discussions originate from somebody who doesn't even play in a band and jams in their house. I am not saying that it happened this time but c'mon bro's. I have been tearing up the metal scene since before many of you were born. I can 100% gaurantee that I know what loud and proud sounds like. I also know what it takes regarding amplification when you play at large arena's because I have been there and done that. The Vetta 2 AND ITS POWER SECTION, can handle any venue that any of us are likely to play. If you are going to do stadium gigs than bring 2 Vetta's. This is coming from currently an all tube amp player. My bandmate has a Vetta 2 and a full stack of Mesa cabinets to run it through. He gets the best live and studio sound I have ever heard. Take that!!!!

[Tetsuo]

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So John you are saying that you are unsure of the Vetta [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

The question I pose though is not that of actual power in the power section but the feel and quality of the power amp...

[khabibissell]

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Good tone is good tone. Why is how it's produced such a big deal? I use a Mesa Rectifier in my band now, but I'm going to try the POD XT Live I just picked up with my Mesa 20/20 poweramp and see how it flies. From what I've heard so far, it's gonna work great. The true test will be next week at rehearsal.

Honestly, I don't know why people slam modelers so much. Alot of those "holy grail" 80's tones everyone around here loves so much were produced by SS or SS pedals in front of tube amps. George Lynch comes to mind. Apparently during one tour, the wall of heads and 4x12's behind him were stage props... He played through a SS combo amp that was miked and sitting on a chair! Just as Pete said, why would you want to bring $3000 dollars worth of gear to a gig where either A.) only the other bands on the bill and bar help are watching or B.) the crowd is full of drunken partygoers that could care less what you are playing through as long as the band sounds good and are playing good, danceable tunes and risk said gear being stolen? Also, most of the time you are miked up anyway. Why do you need something that pushes alot of "air"? What the crowd hears is mostly the tone produced by the PA.

[toejam]

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with my old Yamaha RGZ321.

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I used to have a black RGZ321P, it kicked ass!!! I kinda miss having a H/S/H guitar and wish I never got rid of it. I loved the height-adjustable locking nut on that thing, too! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[catzodellamarina]

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I have an old Line6 AX212. In another post it was pointed out to me my Line6 technology is old and newer product line is better. In case I want to upgrade, what would be a good replacement amp to use for home and possibly live? I had a Spider and it was enemic. I also had a PODPRO and it didn't sound good through my tube poweramp and 4X12. What's the difference between the Flextones vs Vettas?

[Tetsuo]

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Khab... the 20/20 will sound great but may not have enough headroom FYI

Catz... Teh Vetta is the flagship it has everything... YOu can blend two amp models at once bah too much to explain simply but there is a workd of differnece. The Flex III is as good in quality as the Vetta II but less options. The Spider II's are not as good as quality but are worlds better than the Spider I

My suggestion is get a used Vetta 1 and upgrade teh software for free to the vetta 2

[khabibissell]

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It does start to break up a bit, but turning the 20/20 half way up through a 4x12 is pretty loud. The Marshall and SLO emulations sounded great!

[lerxstcat]

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with my old Yamaha RGZ321.

[/ QUOTE ]I used to have a black RGZ321P, it kicked ass!!! I kinda miss having a H/S/H guitar and wish I never got rid of it. I loved the height-adjustable locking nut on that thing, too! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]OOPS! I misstated; it's the 312, HSS. I always get that wrong and am too lazy to open the gigbag. Still, great neck, decent pickups and the Floyd knockoff's not bad either! For $100 it's nicer than any Performer Series Jackson I've ever played, even if it is made in Taiwan.Well, not nicer than Newc's Kelly that I had, but then it had a JTX neck so that definitely does NOT count [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Ace]

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I don't do covers, and I don't twiddle knobs on my amp much. I EQ it if it sounds off, then I leave it as is and play my set. I don't need an amp that does 1,000,001 things, I just need an amp that does MY thing and does it well. The only changes I make to my rig during the set are pickup switches and turning the one stompbox I use on/off. And I use a BOSS TU-2 as a kill switch. For me having a Vetta would be like owning a swiss army knife when what you really need is an ax.