5150 use diode clipping?

[horns666]

Re: 5150 use diode clipping?

Pete...John has diode phobia...I think ever since he accidentally saw one nakid as a child...he's never been the same..

Talk to him man... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

he's a doidephobe...or a "diodcist"...if you will ... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Cleveland Metal]

Re: 5150 use diode clipping?

I like it in some things and hate it in others...

Diodecentric is a possibility... hehehe...

[siggy14]

Re: 5150 use diode clipping?

OK i wouldnt say the 5150-2 has less gain, it just has a smoother gain, just as heavy, just smoother which is perfect for me. I have owned all the 5150's and prefered the 5150-2 and that is what i still own.

As to diode clipping, big difference between throwing a pedal in front of an amp to boost the signal to force the preamp tubes to distort then actually putting diodes in the circuit that are designed to create distorition. But like said some of our favorite tones were created with amps that had diode clipping amps, anyone say slash or most any band from the mid 80's to present.

Am i against diodes, hell no, but i do love a great tube amp and prefer my distortion to come from natural tubes, but then again i do love my marshall JMP-1 Preamp which is basically all diode clipping with two tubes to warm it up!

[Twisteramps]

Re: 5150 use diode clipping?

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OK i wouldnt say the 5150-2 has less gain, it just has a smoother gain, just as heavy, just smoother which is perfect for me. I have owned all the 5150's and prefered the 5150-2 and that is what i still own.

As to diode clipping, big difference between throwing a pedal in front of an amp to boost the signal to force the preamp tubes to distort then actually putting diodes in the circuit that are designed to create distorition. But like said some of our favorite tones were created with amps that had diode clipping amps, anyone say slash or most any band from the mid 80's to present.

Am i against diodes, hell no, but i do love a great tube amp and prefer my distortion to come from natural tubes, but then again i do love my marshall JMP-1 Preamp which is basically all diode clipping with two tubes to warm it up!

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One clarification - diodes don't generate gain at all. Those pedals with the diodes, (tube screamer, Super Overdrive, Fulldrive, etc) even when set to clean boost, are grunging your signal a little with the diodes. I just get amazed by tube 'purists' who wouldn't touch an amp with clipping diodes - who then slam the front end with a distortion box, tube screamer, boss superoverdrive or even a freakin' transistor laden Fuzz Face!

For that matter, if you're using an EMG pickup or any type of preamp pedal - you're running a solid state device into the front end. If you have a channel switching amp for that matter, your signal is going through several relays that will degrade your tone somewhat.

Pete

[horns666]

Re: 5150 use diode clipping?

"i do love my marshall JMP-1 Preamp which is basically all diode clipping with two tubes to warm it up!"

Yeah......crunchy , edgy , marshally , little bastid...LOVE IT!

"I just get amazed by tube 'purists' who wouldn't touch an amp with clipping diodes - who then slam the front end with a distortion box, tube screamer, boss superoverdrive or even a freakin' transistor laden Fuzz Face!"


Jesus Titty Boppin' Christ...that makes wayyyyyyyy too much friggin' sense... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[pro-fusion]

Re: 5150 use diode clipping?

The fact that Eddie's Marshalls were highly modified doesn't exactly constitute a ringing endorsement for the company's stock products, does it?

It would seem a logical endorsement for him to do, but has Marshall ever done signature models? It's not like they really need the name recognition. Whereas Eddie's involvement basically legitimized Peavey as something other than a bottomfeeder, whether that was fair or not).

[jwoods986]

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but has Marshall ever done signature models? It's not like they really need the name recognition.

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Slash and Zakk Wylde come to mind, there might have been some other ones.

[siggy14]

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OK i wouldnt say the 5150-2 has less gain, it just has a smoother gain, just as heavy, just smoother which is perfect for me. I have owned all the 5150's and prefered the 5150-2 and that is what i still own.

As to diode clipping, big difference between throwing a pedal in front of an amp to boost the signal to force the preamp tubes to distort then actually putting diodes in the circuit that are designed to create distorition. But like said some of our favorite tones were created with amps that had diode clipping amps, anyone say slash or most any band from the mid 80's to present.

Am i against diodes, hell no, but i do love a great tube amp and prefer my distortion to come from natural tubes, but then again i do love my marshall JMP-1 Preamp which is basically all diode clipping with two tubes to warm it up!

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One clarification - diodes don't generate gain at all. Those pedals with the diodes, (tube screamer, Super Overdrive, Fulldrive, etc) even when set to clean boost, are grunging your signal a little with the diodes. I just get amazed by tube 'purists' who wouldn't touch an amp with clipping diodes - who then slam the front end with a distortion box, tube screamer, boss superoverdrive or even a freakin' transistor laden Fuzz Face!

For that matter, if you're using an EMG pickup or any type of preamp pedal - you're running a solid state device into the front end. If you have a channel switching amp for that matter, your signal is going through several relays that will degrade your tone somewhat.

Pete

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You are part right, when they put diode clipping in a circuit it does basically how it sounds, the diodes clip creating a distortion, yes when diodes are built into a circuit they are creating a solid state distortion.

Now when you put a pedal in front of an amp most people do not use the distortion part of the pedal, they just crank the level which causes the preamp tubes to distort which creates more tube distortion, so basically the petal in front is not getting diode distortion like in amps with it built into the circuit.

There is a big difference between the two.

[Twisteramps]

Re: 5150 use diode clipping?

The diodes in the signal path are going to effect the tone. If they didn't, why do people look for clean boosts instead of just turning the gain down on a TS9 or super overdrive?

Besides that, the big turnoff on the diodes and other devices of that ilk are because they are solid state - non tube devices. Unless your clean boost has tubes and even then in a lot of cases, you're adding transistors/op amps/diodes/solid state circuitry to the front end of the amp.

By the way, when you crank the level on a pedal, you're increasing the signal level/voltage - do you know how diodes work?

Pete

[nonamemx]

Re: 5150 use diode clipping?

My biggest complaint with diodes in the signal path is its not controllable. There is no way to just take out the diodes whenever you want. With an amp that has an all tube preamp, you can go pure tube. . .or by stepping on a switch you can add a boost. You can get different boosts, you can try out many pedals, and pick one out that sounds best with your amp and your tastes.

With the diodes hard wired in there, well . . .you just gotta like what they put in there, because they're no real way to change it easily.

Amps with diodes in the preamp, in my experience, seem to have very buzzy and gross single notes. All (good) tube amps seem to have very liquid smooth single notes. In my experience, my tubescreamer actually makes my sound smoother, rather than making it buzzy,gritty and rough like its some sort of fuzz pedal.