Eurotubes...

[hippietim]

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Best place I know of to buy new tubes is Lord Valve... the guy knows his stuff and won't sell anything he doesn't like. His prices are average, but he tests the hell out of the tubes and stands behind them.

Pete

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Sounds the same as Eurotubes. Just that dude likes JJs.

[JerryP]

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If he's a tech then he's a shitty tech.
Jerry

[Twisteramps]

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Best place I know of to buy new tubes is Lord Valve... the guy knows his stuff and won't sell anything he doesn't like. His prices are average, but he tests the hell out of the tubes and stands behind them.

Pete

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Sounds the same as Eurotubes. Just that dude likes JJs.

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"likes" and "only sells" are two different things, wouldn't you agree? LV has a much wider selection to choose from, and if a tube doesn't do well in the field, he doesn't sell them anymore. I would also bet that LV tests his tubes a hell of a lot more stringently than Eurotubes does.

If you like JJs, then great! Some of their tubes aren't bad at all. But they aren't the be all end all tube that Bob Pletka says they are.

Pete

[LRGman]

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Tubestore.com kicksass-most its every taken to get a set is 2days-cool guys-

[Cleveland Metal]

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+1

[speed monkey]

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The questions started when I said that Bob is pretty much full of shit. I stand by my statment, and here's why:

If you want to buy JJ tubes, I suppose he's great, but what he doesn't tell you is that there are MANY other brands of tubes out there, and all of them sound slightly different or do some things better, some things worse.
Just calling Bob and explaining what you want, then buying his JJ tubes is like thinking your Ford dealer is going to suggest the very best vehicle for your needs and be fair and objective in his suggestions. He's gonna sell you a Ford. Bob is gonna sell you JJ's.

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Chuck -

FWIW, I know Bob pretty well on a personal level, his kid was a student of mine for awhile, and his house / shop looks like a tube freaks wet dream. A collection of Mullards like few inthis world have seen.

That said - I can see one side of your point, but Bob is far from full of shit, knows his stuff backwards and forwards, and is willing to bend over backwards to help people out. I live 10 minutes from him and have witnessed it countless times.

Steve E

[Deneb]

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That guy at Eurotubes is a dick. He pretty much told me, the only way to retube the amp is to, switch the bias on my triple rec, to EL34, rather than 6L6, but run 6L6's in it, and JJ 6L6's that are of a certain value, to make it run hotter.

I guess Mesa doesn't bias their shit hot enough or whatever. When I asked him flat out, I want to order JJ 6L6's that are to the values of my tubes in my Mesa, he said, "the values on Mesa tubes vary more than Mesa will tell you".....


Basically, he slammed my amp, and he slammed the company. I don't care if you like them or not, but some of the shit he was saying, was just bullshit.

[siggy14]

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That guy at Eurotubes is a dick. He pretty much told me, the only way to retube the amp is to, switch the bias on my triple rec, to EL34, rather than 6L6, but run 6L6's in it, and JJ 6L6's that are of a certain value, to make it run hotter.

I guess Mesa doesn't bias their shit hot enough or whatever. When I asked him flat out, I want to order JJ 6L6's that are to the values of my tubes in my Mesa, he said, "the values on Mesa tubes vary more than Mesa will tell you".....


Basically, he slammed my amp, and he slammed the company. I don't care if you like them or not, but some of the shit he was saying, was just bullshit.

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OK let me start out by saying i love my mesa's, i own a dual and a roadking. But mesa does bias there amps cold because basically they are depending on pre-amp distortion for all the distortion. So if you run a certain value 6L6 tube with the EL34 position it will indeed make the tubes run hotter and get them up to more of there natural bias.

It sucks that Mesa does not give you the option to bias your amp correctly, with todays technology and being able to put test points easily on the back of an amp i do not see why they wouldnt do it, marshall does it now and so does Peavey and the newer bogner Ubers have it too.

There is also a Bias mod for the Rec's since there bias does run cold, You can do it yourself or someone like voodoo amps will install it for you. But voodoo's mod only gives you the option of running either EL34's or 6L6's but i dont think you can switch anymore like you could before the mod.

[Twisteramps]

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+1 on what Siggy said, but any decent tube vendor should be able to sell you tubes that will bias properly in the mesa WITHOUT having to run the EL34 setting for 6L6s.

And I guarantee Trace can mod a rectifier to switch back and forth - it may not be his standard mod, but Trace knows his stuff.

One of my favorite things about my JSX is how easy it is to bias - plug a meter into the two jacks, and turn a knob on the outside of the chassis. If peavey can do it, then Mesa and everyone else can too, IMHO. Mesa just does it to scare you into using their tubes, and because if you were able to check your bias on the Mesa you'd see how cold it is.

Pete

[Rupe]

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Mesa just does it to scare you into using their tubes, and because if you were able to check your bias on the Mesa you'd see how cold it is.


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I don't know the Eurotubes guy, but for someone on here to call him a dick because he told you the truth about Mesa is a completely out of line.

[JerryP]

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As far as I know Mesa can't void your warranty for not using their tubes. It's against the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. I remember this from back when I owned a gas station and Chrysler was telling customers they had to use a Mopar oil filter or the warranty was void. It's total bullshit.
Jerry

Here's a portion of it that applies:
"Tie-In Sales" Provisions
Generally, tie-in sales provisions are not allowed. Such a provision would require a purchaser of the warranted product to buy an item or service from a particular company to use with the warranted product in order to be eligible to receive a remedy under the warranty. The following are examples of prohibited tie-in sales provisions.

In order to keep your new Plenum Brand Vacuum Cleaner warranty in effect, you must use genuine Plenum Brand Filter Bags. Failure to have scheduled maintenance performed, at your expense, by the Great American Maintenance Company, Inc., voids this warranty.

While you cannot use a tie-in sales provision, your warranty need not cover use of replacement parts, repairs, or maintenance that is inappropriate for your product. The following is an example of a permissible provision that excludes coverage of such things.

While necessary maintenance or repairs on your AudioMundo Stereo System can be performed by any company, we recommend that you use only authorized AudioMundo dealers. Improper or incorrectly performed maintenance or repair voids this warranty.

Although tie-in sales provisions generally are not allowed, you can include such a provision in your warranty if you can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the FTC that your product will not work properly without a specified item or service. If you believe that this is the case, you should contact the warranty staff of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection for information on how to apply for a waiver of the tie-in sales prohibition.

[buzzsaww]

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Best place I know of to buy new tubes is Lord Valve... the guy knows his stuff and won't sell anything he doesn't like. His prices are average, but he tests the hell out of the tubes and stands behind them.

Pete

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+50 Willy can be cranky sometimes though, LOL He can also get damn near every speaker under the sun.

[atilla]

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I've become a Lord Valve follower. Great service and good stuff. Worth a few extra $$$.