Best brand new overall amp for metal LIVE!!

[StarRider]

Re: Best brand new overall amp for metal LIVE!!

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Yeah, but you're assuming, or at least that's what it comes off as, we're not capable of making those stacks sound good or better than your cheap(er) gear.

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Not assuming anything BTW: my Marshall Cabinets aren't cheap gear
I've already played 2,000.00 heads thru the cabinets and the heads don't sound 1,000.00s better then the 500.00 heads
But again thats just me

[jgcable]

Re: Best brand new overall amp for metal LIVE!!

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Yeah, but you're assuming, or at least that's what it comes off as, we're not capable of making those stacks sound good or better than your cheap(er) gear.

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Not assuming anything BTW: my Marshall Cabinets aren't cheap gear
I've already played 2,000.00 heads thru the cabinets and the heads don't sound 1,000.00s better then the 500.00 heads
But again thats just me

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Once you get to the $1000.00+ mark regarding amps and cabinets, the differences become more subtle and personal.
Most of the time.... a $2000.00 amp head is going to sound a heck of alot better than a $500.00 amp head. Its going to be built better too. I would like to know which $500.00 and $2000.00 amp heads you have tried. I have been playing for almost 30 years and I can tell you from my experience that most $2000.00 amp heads I have played (not to many at that price range) sounded WAY THE FUCK better than a $500.00 amp head. Especially the high gain metal amps.

[StarRider]

Re: Best brand new overall amp for metal LIVE!!

Hey jgcable I understand what your looking for no efx/ods, but not many guitarists go direct to the amp head, no efx/ ods?
JCM 800 amps sound kinda crappy without a good OD and EQ
if I didnt have my efx I wouldn't have had a cool sound with that head
But that sounds like a topic for another thread

[StarRider]

Re: Best brand new overall amp for metal LIVE!!

I have used many types of Heads, all price ranges
Marshall
Messa
Ibanez
VHT
Earth
Peavey
Fender
All 100w heads same guitar, same cabinets

I don't use the gain/od channels
I use the clean channels with preamps or stomp bxs
So how the clean channel sounds to me is more important
Which is not what your looking for
And the 300.00 head S.S. had a better clean sound to me then the 1,000 amp, not as loud, but its not about volume

[Twisteramps]

Re: Best brand new overall amp for metal LIVE!!

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I have used many types of Heads, all price ranges
Marshall
Messa
Ibanez
VHT
Earth
Peavey
Fender
All 100w heads same guitar, same cabinets

I don't use the gain/od channels
I use the clean channels with preamps or stomp bxs
So how the clean channel sounds to me is more important
Which is not what your looking for
And the 300.00 head S.S. had a better clean sound to me then the 1,000 amp, not as loud, but its not about volume

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If you would use the clean channel of a VHT instead of the lead channel...

*shakes head, walks away*

[Twisteramps]

Re: Best brand new overall amp for metal LIVE!!

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I have used many types of Heads, all price ranges
Marshall
Messa
Ibanez
VHT
Earth
Peavey
Fender
All 100w heads same guitar, same cabinets

I don't use the gain/od channels
I use the clean channels with preamps or stomp bxs
So how the clean channel sounds to me is more important
Which is not what your looking for
And the 300.00 head S.S. had a better clean sound to me then the 1,000 amp, not as loud, but its not about volume

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You would use the CLEAN channel on a VHT for metal and ignore the lead channel entirely?

I think we're being trolled here.

[StarRider]

Re: Best brand new overall amp for metal LIVE!!

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I have used many types of Heads, all price ranges
Marshall
Messa
Ibanez
VHT
Earth
Peavey
Fender
All 100w heads same guitar, same cabinets

I don't use the gain/od channels
I use the clean channels with preamps or stomp bxs
So how the clean channel sounds to me is more important
Which is not what your looking for
And the 300.00 head S.S. had a better clean sound to me then the 1,000 amp, not as loud, but its not about volume

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You would use the CLEAN channel on a VHT for metal and ignore the lead channel entirely?

I think we're being trolled here.

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I dont like it, but then again thats just me
I would take a Marshall 100w JCM 800 with preamps/ods over most amps
I have never used amp overdrive cept the JCM800 50w master volume heads I own, and I used preamps/ods with them, which is not what this post is about, but thats my prefrence.

[Deneb]

Re: Best brand new overall amp for metal LIVE!!

A; I don't play my Mesa because it cost more than someone else's amp. I play it, because I liked it. I actually didn't have the cash for a new amp, when I went amp shopping, and took out a loan.

B; I had a JCM800 2210 just recently, that amp could easilly do metal, without any gain or boost. (JG and Twister can attest to this). The clean channel on it DID sound like ass, no two ways about it.

C; If you're happy with the tone you get out of a 400$ amp, that's wonderful. When I go to the music store, and just wank away, I often plug into an AVT, then into a Fender MH, and I was even playing a Blue Voodoo for the past two weeks.

Tone is in the ear, and if you're happy with what you're using, great. I didn't come here to start a fight about my amp being better than anyone elses. Hell, there are days, when I hate my amp.

[jgcable]

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Putting a stomp box in front of a clean channel on an amp doesn't "comply" with my original topic.
Here is my take on your position StarRider... A Boss Metal Zone (it is one of my favorite distortion boxes) used on the clean channel pretty much evens out a $500.00 amp with a $2000.00 amp because what you are hearing is primarily the Metal Zone circuit. The amp is basically powering it and coloring it a little. That is EXACTLY why you feel that a $2000.00 amp doesn't sound 4 times better than a $500.00 amp. I'll tell you what.. A/B a $500.00 solid state amp with a distortion pedal on the clean channel with a "cheap" amp like a Peavey 5150. Nuff said..

[horns666]

Re: Best brand new overall amp for metal LIVE!!

What kind of "metal" that's the deal here..Marshall 800s and etc. like a 2210 are great but they're a very traditional , classic 80's tone...which is NOT a bad thing..if that's what you're looking for...I still love my Marshall Rack which is the epitome of all that is 80's metal.. VH , Savatage , Ratt , Dokken , and it even goes into Shuldiner / Grover territory.

Then you have the much heavier , brutal , modern metal tones like my Uberschall .., Avenger or Fireball..but for those who don't want to spend or don't have that kind of cash for a amp such as this stuff.

Then a 5150 will do in a pinch for more modern metal tones..especially for the money...best bang for the buck..IMO

[Shawn Lutz]

Re: Best brand new overall amp for metal LIVE!!

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Have any of you guys who play really loud onstage in a small club ever walked around with a wireless and noticed how you end up with 'hot spots' where the guitar is excruciating, and then there are spots where you can't hear the guitar well? Or is this just me? I try to run as much volume onstage as I need, but nothing crazy - I just want to be able to hear over the drums onstage, for the most part. I let the PA do the heavy lifting.

Pete

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yup - I have done that but you have to take into consideration that everything changes once people are there. Unless you play for bartenders and barmaids then doing that soundcheck in an empty club isnt what will happen when the crowd gets there [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] The human body is a good sound dampener [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Twisteramps]

Re: Best brand new overall amp for metal LIVE!!

I walk around a bit after we get some people in there too. Bodies absorb some of the sound, but it seems to make the 'hot spots' even worse. A 4x12 cab is directional as hell.

Pete

[horns666]

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" A 4x12 cab is directional as hell."

Oh very, especially straight cabs..opposed to slants.

But I prefer the extra girth of a straight cab for some reason.

[toejam]

Re: Best brand new overall amp for metal LIVE!!

Listen up, bitches! This is the only amp you need. It OWNS!! Tube Cruncher, yeah!!!!! [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[horns666]

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Joe put a BBE 422 in the loop! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]