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**P I K A** · 10-10-2005, 04:54 PM

Re: Dual Recto, Stilletto, 5150 and Fireball shootout

I agree for the most part. I've had the recto 5150 and now the fireball. The fireball is the best hi gainer of those 3 in my opinion. Kicks ass right out of the box. Simple and even at low volumes sounds good. The recto I needed to play loud to get a good sound and the peavey was just a fizzy nasty sound to me. The 5150 lasted 1 week.I'm looking for (maybe) a slo to offset the fireball .

**jgcable** · 10-10-2005, 05:08 PM

Re: Dual Recto, Stilletto, 5150 and Fireball shootout

It just goes to show you how amp tone is so subjective.
You are one of the first people I have ever heard mention Dual Recto and AC/DC in the same sentence. Either the Dual Recto you tried was in dire need of tubes or it just wasn't dialed in correctly. I 100% agree with you on the 5150 review.
You also said that "(because I'd choose neither of 'em for straight out metal)" when referring to the Boogies.
Thats another first for me.

**jgcable** · 10-10-2005, 05:11 PM

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I agree for the most part. I've had the recto 5150 and now the fireball. The fireball is the best hi gainer of those 3 in my opinion. Kicks ass right out of the box. Simple and even at low volumes sounds good. The recto I needed to play loud to get a good sound and the peavey was just a fizzy nasty sound to me. The 5150 lasted 1 week.I'm looking for (maybe) a slo to offset the fireball .

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I have owned several Recto's and I have always thought that they sounded great at low volumes although I will say they get better as you turn them up.
I have played a Fireball too. Great amp but I certainly would call a 5150 fizzy and nasty... well.. maybe nasty... but in a good way.

**Cleveland Metal** · 10-10-2005, 05:30 PM

Re: Dual Recto, Stilletto, 5150 and Fireball shootout

Never liked the Boogies either... And played them at length...

Weird...

**Dreamland_Rebel** · 10-10-2005, 06:15 PM

Re: Dual Recto, Stilletto, 5150 and Fireball shootout

i want to hear the stilletto with the gain maxed out. pres and treb off, bass and mid full on, channel vols high, and output vol loud as hell. and i want to hear this setting on every mode in every channel, rectified and diode clipped. and i want a detailed report on each. ... and i want it all done in a band setting with 2 guitarist each with the same setup and following the same steps alone the way. trading rythms for solos, harmony runs, palm mutes down picked as well as alternate picked, and stops. together. and all done 3 times, once with 2 SL-1's stock, once with 2 les paul standard's stock, and once mixed: 1 sl-1 and 1 les paul.

is that too much to ask?

**Cleveland Metal** · 10-10-2005, 06:30 PM

Re: Dual Recto, Stilletto, 5150 and Fireball shootout

Other than the Les Paul part, no.

**Rupe** · 10-10-2005, 08:00 PM

Re: Dual Recto, Stilletto, 5150 and Fireball shootout

I have played the first three amps mentioned here, used to own a 5150, and currently own a Stiletto Deuce...I can't comment on the Fireball.

I think the DR sounds nothing like the Stiletto. It has a much more bottom heavy, mid-lite tone (at similar settings). The DR has more gain, but much less definition...not near the mid thrust of the Stiletto. To my ears, the Stiletto sounds very much like a hot-rodded Marshall with a more muscular, less fizzy tone. I think it is one of the best amps out there for classic hard rock, eighties metal and power metal. The DR would be a better choice for the detuned, wall of sound many newer bands use. The Stiletto will not hide any mistakes...your chops better be good. It has enough gain for me, but a compressor should get it there for people who want that "whoooo-ooooo" tone...a Boss sounded great in front of mine for that.

I never really cared for the 5150...I didn't think it was articulate enough for me. I could definitely get by with one although there are alot of other amps I'd prefer. Not much tops it in bang for the buck though. I've never tried it with a 422 in the loop like Bill preaches...that's probably the ticket to getting the articulation that I feel these lack (the 422 in my rack makes all the difference with an original MP1...it turns shit to gold)

**Cleveland Metal** · 10-10-2005, 08:05 PM

Re: Dual Recto, Stilletto, 5150 and Fireball shootout

The BBE just gives the 5150 a little life that they lack..

Not articulation (IMO). They are just nicely brutal amps, not articulate.

**siggy14** · 10-10-2005, 11:52 PM

Re: Dual Recto, Stilletto, 5150 and Fireball shootout

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It just goes to show you how amp tone is so subjective.
You are one of the first people I have ever heard mention Dual Recto and AC/DC in the same sentence. Either the Dual Recto you tried was in dire need of tubes or it just wasn't dialed in correctly. I 100% agree with you on the 5150 review.
You also said that "(because I'd choose neither of 'em for straight out metal)" when referring to the Boogies.
Thats another first for me.

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Oh trust me, on the orange channel, roll back the volume knob and you are in ACDC territory, so close it is hard to tell. I love to play hell's bells that way.

By the way, i saw foo fighters tonight, those recto's sounded so damn good, he had the whitesnake tone to a tee from the album with still of the night, i am almost guessing he is not using the normal vintage 30's, i have a feeling he is either using greenbacks or the 70th aniversery 30 watters.

I cant comment on the fireball since i never played one or heard one live. But my take on the other 3 are, yes you can get the stiletto tone with a recto with EL34's and tweek the EQ just right. With my roadking i can get it by using the two EL34's

The stiletto is good if you have no plans for doing high gain.

The 5150 is a great metal amp, would i choose it over the recto, well that depends on styles of music. The recto is a better all around amp, however the 5150 is a great in between of a rythem and a lead amp where the recto is more of a rythem amp or good rock amp. I cant imagine living without either the roadking or the 5150.

**Fragle** · 10-11-2005, 12:23 AM

Re: Dual Recto, Stilletto, 5150 and Fireball shootout

did you try them LOUD, or just usual store volume? crank the fireball up man, and tell me if it also gets all nasty and piercing in the highs when cranked....
the 5150 sounds very articulate to my ears?! not as clear as my engl, but much more pleasing, though. AND brutal as hell. it's slightly on the fizzy side, yeah, but it's certainly one of the best amps i've ever played through. especially live&loud
the recto...i suppose it was a 3ch one, right? i tried them numerous times....they sound like crap to my ears. i much prefered the 2ch recto a bud of mine used to own. i found it to be clearer in the lows and less harsh in the highs, giving it more note definition than the 3ch version which seems to be geared only towards the wall of sound type of thing...the 2ch can do that too, but more. just my $0.2 though. i've never personally owned any recto, so maybe it's possible to get the new one in 2ch territory with some serious tweaking action.

**siggy14** · 10-11-2005, 10:13 AM

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did you try them LOUD, or just usual store volume? crank the fireball up man, and tell me if it also gets all nasty and piercing in the highs when cranked....
the 5150 sounds very articulate to my ears?! not as clear as my engl, but much more pleasing, though. AND brutal as hell. it's slightly on the fizzy side, yeah, but it's certainly one of the best amps i've ever played through. especially live&loud
the recto...i suppose it was a 3ch one, right? i tried them numerous times....they sound like crap to my ears. i much prefered the 2ch recto a bud of mine used to own. i found it to be clearer in the lows and less harsh in the highs, giving it more note definition than the 3ch version which seems to be geared only towards the wall of sound type of thing...the 2ch can do that too, but more. just my $0.2 though. i've never personally owned any recto, so maybe it's possible to get the new one in 2ch territory with some serious tweaking action.

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What alot of people fail to know is that the 2 channel version recto and 3 channel were shipped with different kinds of tubes. The 2 channels have the mesa 6l6 420's where the new versions have the mesa 6l6 430's. The two tubes are completly different in many ways and alot of people prefer the 420's or even the STR-454's. Once the 430's burn in they are actually a pretty good all around tubes. If you truley want to make your mesa sound closer to marshall get the mesa EL34's (STR-442) The only major difference i have noticed between the 2 channel and 3 channel versions is the modern channel on the newer 3 channel has more gain and sounds a bit more fizzy then the older. This was never a problem for me since i always use the vintage or raw channel anyway.

**siggy14** · 10-11-2005, 10:14 AM

Re: Dual Recto, Stilletto, 5150 and Fireball shootout

PS here is a good page for optimizing a recto
http://www.nicef-ingrack.com/phpbb/v...4d9154c468a4c3

**khabibissell** · 10-11-2005, 12:53 PM

Re: Dual Recto, Stilletto, 5150 and Fireball shootout

I am playing at a club that has an awesome sound guy, pro PA, miking, etc... on the 21st. I'll see if I can get a board recording of my Single Rec's tone that night. I'm not as picky as some of you guys here, but I think you'll be surprised. When Recto's are dialed in, they sound awesome!

**skarhead** · 10-11-2005, 01:12 PM

Re: Dual Recto, Stilletto, 5150 and Fireball shootout

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It is very unforgiving though, so I'll be forced to improve playing if I buy it

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AFAIR the fireball was one of the easiest amps to play for me ( technical death stuff )

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