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OK so i run up to washington music in MD today to try out bogners, i wanted to try the XTC and re try the uber. And after a hour of playing the guy says to me, you want to try some other amps, and i am like sure. he brings me to this corner in the store and low and behold there is a herbert and a VH4 sitting on top of a diezel cabinet. After i finished jizzing in my pants for the fact that i finally get to try these out i plug in and start to play, so here is my review.
Amps used.
Bogner XTC 101B
Uber (not sure which version) The guy says they sell them well so it has to be the most updated version.
Diezel Herbert (lots of pretty blue lights)
Diezel VH4.
Cabinets used.
The two bogners i switched back and forth between a bogner cab with V30's and a Marshall 1960 with 75's.
For the two Diezels i used the diezel cabinet that the guy said had V30's.
OK hands down winner for me was the bogner XTC, My mesa Roadking is going bye bye and i will own one of these. No i am not giving up my mesa ways, i will keep my rackmount version for when i am in the mood for that wonderfull mesa tone.
Bogner XTC, great amp, can get almost any sound i wanted, great heavey channel as well. I found it to only have slight less gain then the uber, the big difference between the uber and XTC lead channel was the uber had that thunderous low end. Plexi mode on the XTC was to die for, didnt care much for the gain on channel 2 when out of plexi mode, when i own this amp channel 2 will be set up for plexi for my lower gain needs. This amp was so clear and makes you a better player, great harmonics and great sounding, i spent most of my time playing this amp, even finished up with it.
Uber, ok giving this amp a second chance i am liking it a little more now, i still think i like my rec's better, but i do like the tightness of this amp better. i think if i had a bias pot installed on the rec it would tighten it up alot and give it the tightness the uber has plus it would be alot more verstile. this amp as well as the XTC's lead channel sounded better through the 1960 cab with 75's, so go figure, maybe because they are allready mid heavy. If i was to buy a uber it would be for one tone, to me it is a one trick pony, i experimented but i wasnt happy with anything but balls out dimed gain on this thing, just didnt capture any other sound for me, this amp is made to be played for those people that need gain and a nice tight lead sound but still a good rythem.
To sum up the bogners, i would take the xtc in a minute and pair it up with a cabinet with celestion 75's, 2 out of the 3 channels sounded better with the 75's, only the plexi mode sounded better with the v30's, could only imagine what it would sound like going into greenbacks or the 30 watters.
Diezel herbert, the red channel was my favorite out of the high gain channels on both of the diezels, however i found it a bit to much compressed and boxy sounding, to me i liked the xtc so much better. The one thing i did like about this channel was it sustained so much longer with less feedback. The other two channels were ok, but i dont think i would really have a use for channel 2.
Diezel VH4, by far my favorite distortion channel was channel 2, other then that i really was not digging the voicings, i would love to hear this channel after it is re-worked. By far the Diezels had better harmonics too, i would love to hear the diezels through a cabinet with 75's to see how they sound, today it was just too busy at chucks music center, i might head up there next friday during the day when there is less people!
Diezels were nice amps, alot better then what other people are offering, however i could not justify spending that much money for them. I TRIED to love these amps, hearing so many good things about them etc.. The guy told me the herbert would be equaled to the uber and the vh4 would be equal to the xtc, meaning in terms of there usefullness in a live situation. I tell you right now, i would take the uber over the herbert any day and i would take the xtc over all the other 3 amps in a minute. I personaly think, like the recto the uber just has to much low end, once you get that low you are starting to out due the bass player and that should be his play ground, a good solid bass player can make any music sound alot heavier then it really is.
The way i look at it, i am gonna get a XTC and if i ever want the pounding bass i will take the outs and put it into a eq going into a power amp with 6L6's and eq it to have thunderous bass or just run it and my mesa dual at the same time and get the best of both worlds.
Just remember this review is my own personal opinion and depending on the tone you are looking for you might disagree with me, but if you live in the washington, DC area head up to chuck's (washington music center) and do a test run for yourself.
Amps used.
Bogner XTC 101B
Uber (not sure which version) The guy says they sell them well so it has to be the most updated version.
Diezel Herbert (lots of pretty blue lights)
Diezel VH4.
Cabinets used.
The two bogners i switched back and forth between a bogner cab with V30's and a Marshall 1960 with 75's.
For the two Diezels i used the diezel cabinet that the guy said had V30's.
OK hands down winner for me was the bogner XTC, My mesa Roadking is going bye bye and i will own one of these. No i am not giving up my mesa ways, i will keep my rackmount version for when i am in the mood for that wonderfull mesa tone.
Bogner XTC, great amp, can get almost any sound i wanted, great heavey channel as well. I found it to only have slight less gain then the uber, the big difference between the uber and XTC lead channel was the uber had that thunderous low end. Plexi mode on the XTC was to die for, didnt care much for the gain on channel 2 when out of plexi mode, when i own this amp channel 2 will be set up for plexi for my lower gain needs. This amp was so clear and makes you a better player, great harmonics and great sounding, i spent most of my time playing this amp, even finished up with it.
Uber, ok giving this amp a second chance i am liking it a little more now, i still think i like my rec's better, but i do like the tightness of this amp better. i think if i had a bias pot installed on the rec it would tighten it up alot and give it the tightness the uber has plus it would be alot more verstile. this amp as well as the XTC's lead channel sounded better through the 1960 cab with 75's, so go figure, maybe because they are allready mid heavy. If i was to buy a uber it would be for one tone, to me it is a one trick pony, i experimented but i wasnt happy with anything but balls out dimed gain on this thing, just didnt capture any other sound for me, this amp is made to be played for those people that need gain and a nice tight lead sound but still a good rythem.
To sum up the bogners, i would take the xtc in a minute and pair it up with a cabinet with celestion 75's, 2 out of the 3 channels sounded better with the 75's, only the plexi mode sounded better with the v30's, could only imagine what it would sound like going into greenbacks or the 30 watters.
Diezel herbert, the red channel was my favorite out of the high gain channels on both of the diezels, however i found it a bit to much compressed and boxy sounding, to me i liked the xtc so much better. The one thing i did like about this channel was it sustained so much longer with less feedback. The other two channels were ok, but i dont think i would really have a use for channel 2.
Diezel VH4, by far my favorite distortion channel was channel 2, other then that i really was not digging the voicings, i would love to hear this channel after it is re-worked. By far the Diezels had better harmonics too, i would love to hear the diezels through a cabinet with 75's to see how they sound, today it was just too busy at chucks music center, i might head up there next friday during the day when there is less people!
Diezels were nice amps, alot better then what other people are offering, however i could not justify spending that much money for them. I TRIED to love these amps, hearing so many good things about them etc.. The guy told me the herbert would be equaled to the uber and the vh4 would be equal to the xtc, meaning in terms of there usefullness in a live situation. I tell you right now, i would take the uber over the herbert any day and i would take the xtc over all the other 3 amps in a minute. I personaly think, like the recto the uber just has to much low end, once you get that low you are starting to out due the bass player and that should be his play ground, a good solid bass player can make any music sound alot heavier then it really is.
The way i look at it, i am gonna get a XTC and if i ever want the pounding bass i will take the outs and put it into a eq going into a power amp with 6L6's and eq it to have thunderous bass or just run it and my mesa dual at the same time and get the best of both worlds.
Just remember this review is my own personal opinion and depending on the tone you are looking for you might disagree with me, but if you live in the washington, DC area head up to chuck's (washington music center) and do a test run for yourself.
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