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**Dreamland_Rebel** · 11-12-2005, 04:48 PM

Re: Bogner Amplification

i've seen the Framus Cobra in action and i think i would rather have that for modern 80's sounds. not to knock the Uber. i'm sure its great. you can't go wrong with either one really.

**horns666** · 11-12-2005, 04:56 PM

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I don't know about the Cobra, except for my ride..so I'll take your word on it. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I DO know I can play ANY 80's metal with this thing without a prob..

In fact I could nail Lynch's "Kiss of Death" tone..you can't get more 80's metal than that.. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

**MikeStrat** · 11-12-2005, 05:59 PM

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It is a HUGE misconception that the Uber can't be tamed to do 80's metal..It can do that VERY well. Just back off the gain and lows is all..I can get this to be tamer than "80's metal"..I can dial in a true Marshall JMP "Flick of the switch" AC/CD tone BIG TIME!!

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You may have already kind of answered my question but I am really considering buying a Bogner. I love that Uber sound but that's not all that I play. I want an amp that is a little more versatile. I looked at the Ectasy but $3700 is kind of steep. Especially when the Uber is about $2500. Anyway, my question was: Can the Uber be dialed down so every song doesn't lop your head off? There is a time and place for that and the Uber does it best but........ Also, if you do tone it down, does it sound like shit? My point is, why spend $3700 when you can spend $2500 and get that Uber and possibly dial it down to an Ectasy. You can't dial an Ectasy to sound like an Uber. Just my thoughts. What the hell do I know except that I love me some Jacksons. Comments....

**horns666** · 11-12-2005, 06:35 PM

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The Ecstasy is a GREAT amp..I think the Uber is VERY similiar in tone but picks up in the gain department where that amps leaves off.

In that amp on steroids basically..

It is like my AC Cobra..it can do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds..if you WANT it to..

Or you can just Crusie around..and have a good time.

Same with the Uber..you will never NEED a somp box in front of this thing..no matter what kind of metal you are going for.

I can MAX the gain and the gain is 100% completely usuable , no farting or "sag" whatsoever..I can proove this with a short clip.

Or you can keep the gain and bass at 12 O clock or less and play friggin' blues with it..or classic rock tones..just like a backed off Ecstacy. ..very similair to a cranked Marshall JMP. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I'll post a clip of a MAXED Uberschall..it can't get anymore MAXED than this..The gain is all the way up!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

**horns666** · 11-12-2005, 06:40 PM

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This is me not knowing tape is rolling level check. My buddy just said "play something"..so this is me just being a "FAG"..and nothing more..I'm not playing for keeps here..BUT it is my main sound to my demo..My Uberschall NUDE in the raw and gain is MAXED..no fx , nothin'..he put echo on it and stuck it on my demo as a "surprise" that pud..

Corruption ...did not know it was taping , jack off level check..Bone Dry , MAXED gain Uberschall
http://clevelandmetalzone.com/evilut...corruption.mp3

Here is THAT same sound in a song I did on a 4tkr tape deck.. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
Scapegoat
http://clevelandmetalzone.com/evilut...egoat_demo.mp3

The lead tone at the begining of Scapegoat is my JMP-1 and 535 Dunlop wah..I was going for a Dimebag kinda thang. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

**MikeStrat** · 11-12-2005, 07:21 PM

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The links aren't working for me.

**Tooling** · 11-12-2005, 07:42 PM

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It is a HUGE misconception that the Uber can't be tamed to do 80's metal..It can do that VERY well. Just back off the gain and lows is all..I can get this to be tamer than "80's metal"..I can dial in a true Marshall JMP "Flick of the switch" AC/CD tone BIG TIME!!

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You may have already kind of answered my question but I am really considering buying a Bogner. I love that Uber sound but that's not all that I play. I want an amp that is a little more versatile. I looked at the Ectasy but $3700 is kind of steep. Especially when the Uber is about $2500. Anyway, my question was: Can the Uber be dialed down so every song doesn't lop your head off? There is a time and place for that and the Uber does it best but........ Also, if you do tone it down, does it sound like shit? My point is, why spend $3700 when you can spend $2500 and get that Uber and possibly dial it down to an Ectasy. You can't dial an Ectasy to sound like an Uber. Just my thoughts. What the hell do I know except that I love me some Jacksons. Comments....

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I can't state this enough that I've only had the Uber a few days....I've had an XTC for about two years.....In my experience I can get closer to the Uber with my XTC than I can get to the XTC from the Uber. The tone is immediately recognizable and they are OBVIOUSLY from the same vein but I do feel the Uber is quite a departure from the XTC. At the moment my ears are telling me the XTC's tone is shaped in the low mids wheras the Uber is on the Upper mid to that hollow mid scooped tone. The first tone that jumped out at me with the Uber is Metallicas Justice....I've owned MK IV's, VHT's , 5150's , Marshalls etc. The three favorites of mine are obviously Bogners, VHT's, and the much mojo 5150's. With that being said...I am by all means a Marshall guy. The VHT's are tight as hell and are just stellar amps overall with tremendous versatility, the 5150 & 5150 II are awesome amps and IMHO they are the best choice for relatively inexpensive amps out there with the SINGLE Rectos not far behind. The closest competitor I've had to the Uber is a VHT UL which has to my ears a more solid bottom end but not near the percussion the Uber posesses, they are equals in tightness but the Uber has the upper mids placed so seemingly precisely that it is just so fast and tight....I have noticed the Uber really comes alive with some volume and I personally don't think you could get a real idea of its nature noodling in a store. I've never heard an amp so FOCUSED as the Uber....this includes the VHT UL...I've heard that term used to describe amps before (Mesa) but the true meaning never meant much to me until now. I've said it before...Reinhold Bogner is a unique individual in that he has this shit nailed. Whether you like the tone of Bogner amps or not...I can't see how anybody could not recognize the sheer quality of the sounds Bogner puts out. I think a Bogner pre-amp into a VHT power amp would probably be my end all be all. Bill....thanks for the tips and it's cool that I picked the Marshall cab before you even said anything...I think you and I seem to have some of the same perceptions and wants in tone. My favorite metal tones of all are early VH,Megadeth in general,Metallica...MOP and Justice and my absolutely two top fav's are Accept and Metal Church [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

**horns666** · 11-12-2005, 07:43 PM

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Shit let me go get it again..yeah they ain't workin'.. [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]

I cut and pasted it from the MP3 section ..My Bed of Nails demo is there.. [img]/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

http://www.jcfonline.com/ubbthreads/...;page=2#557254

**MikeStrat** · 11-12-2005, 07:58 PM

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Tooling - Where are you in Maryland? If you have both of these amps I would love to check them out!!!! I'm in Annapolis.

**horns666** · 11-12-2005, 08:24 PM

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Tooling..I was glad to see that you did choose the 1960 Marshall Cab with 75s. I been thinking of a Uberkab..But to tell you the truth to me ears I am not a fan of Vintage 30's at all..I do like the 75's they are kinda scooped and have the right amount of "bite" that I like. I like the 80s too..I had a 4- 12 peavey cab loaded with Celestion 80's that I used with my favorite Marshall head which is The late 80's 2210 ..the 100 wt dual channel JCM 800 lead series..it gave that head a much needed kick in the behind in the low end area..it was a perfect match!!

Crap..now none of my links are working..they are being gay..I don't know why..they worked when I just posted them..now they're just gay.. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Oh well , some of you guys already heard it..and yes it can do VH..funny thing is , That wasn't dialed in for VH at all..it was dialed the way I like it ..really heavy and it still does VH just fine..

I wished I had all these Boutique amps at my disposal..but nobody carries anything like that around here.

I really am in absolute love with my Uberschall..it just inspires me to play my best and makes me want to be better. That is what ANY amp should do..even if I or others don't like it.

Hey, I hate Rectos..I just don't get along with them at all. But my man Jeff Loomis kills with them , much more so than with that damn Kranks..I'd loved to hear him with a Uber!!

The Krank did seem to have a "decent" lead tone..he did fine with it..but his tight palm muted rythms sounded mushy this time around..and I never heard him sound "mushy"..he still was on his game tho.

Bogners RULE!!!

Talk to ya later,

Bill Z

**horns666** · 11-12-2005, 09:46 PM

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YEAH THE LINKS ARE WORKING NOW!!!!..so here goes it .. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

My buddy just said "play something"..so this is me just being a fag getting a level and nothing more..I'm not playing for keeps here..BUT it is my main sound to my demo..My Uberschall NUDE in the raw and gain is MAXED..no fx , nothin'..he put echo on it and stuck it on my demo as a "surprise" that pud..

Corruption ...did not know it was taping , jack off level check..Bone Dry , MAXED gain Uberschall
http://clevelandmetalzone.com/evilut...corruption.mp3

Here is THAT same sound in a song I did on a 4tkr tape deck..
Scapegoat
http://clevelandmetalzone.com/evilut...egoat_demo.mp3

The lead tone at the begining of Scapegoat is my JMP-1 and 535 Dunlop wah..I was going for a Dimebag kinda thang.

**thenine** · 11-12-2005, 10:03 PM

Re: Bogner Amplification

Go here for Uber settings. I love mine too!

http://www.grailtone.com/tone-settin...-settings.html

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**tomparks** · 11-12-2005, 10:35 PM

Re: Bogner Amplification

ive had my uber since feb of this year and i love it. i almost sold it once this summer for a diezel herbert but at the last minute i changed my mind. i also have a powerball and a framus cobra. out of the 3 of them the uber is my fav. i used to have a single and triple rect. along with a bunch of marshalls but i wasnt happy. the cobra can do modern and 80s stuff. i dont think the uber sounds like the xtc even with the gain low. i just got my cobra last week so im still learning about the tones it can produce. if i can only have one amp and cab it would be my uber with the uberkab. i have a marshall cab but i like my uberkab better imo. the powerball kicks ass too.

**horns666** · 11-13-2005, 12:12 AM

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ZakkWylde74.. Dude is the Uber voiced "Darker" than the XTC..I noticed that the XTC seems to be much sharper in the upper mids where the chordes just rings Brrrrrrrrrang....like a killer old Marshall tone but with mucho cruncho. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

You have ALL three!! ..Damn a Powerball , a Cobra and The Uber..wow dude that's friggin' killer!! [img]/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]

The Uber is your FAVE of them all. You don't know how great that makes me feel. I dialed up such a great tone , I really can't see how to improve upon it. I really wouldn't to want to change anything. It has "Growl" that is so wicked. I don't know if your other trophies have that kind of "growl" , I think you know what I mean.. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

The "crunch " this thing has is amazing. Like I said..I can't think of a single way to improve upon it.

I keep it ALL Uber too...No BBEs , No Eqs of any kind ..just a G major in the loop. I use for the tuner , noise reduction and some delay and a boost for solos..the rythm has just a hint of delay..hardly noticable. It's sounds really organic and pure. I think less is more sometimes...I throw a 535 in the front and that's about it.

So in comparison..give me a brief discription how the other two amps stack up to the Uber. I very interested amn. You would know..you have ALL three. So , right now..YOU and only YOU have my undivided attention!!!

Please ..indulge me..and I think everyone here would just LOVE to know , I sure would!!

Bill

**bluebullet** · 11-13-2005, 02:08 AM

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checked out your clips. bill you are one evil shredding mother fucker. mucho respect brother and your tone kills.