Marshall combo tube amps?

[MarshallAbuser]

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Sorry to bring up this old post, b ut no sense in opening a new one.

Differences in tone between JCM800 and JCM900 1/2x12 combos? I have played a 1x12 800 combo, sounded nice and LOUD I am wondering just why the JCM900s seem to be cheaper than 800s.

Thanks!


ps- looking for a hard rock gain; AC/DC, sabbath, G'n'R.

[Rupe]

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IMO the 900 series are thinner sounding but have more gain than the 800's. I much prefer the 800 to the 900...if I need a gain boost, I'll use a pedal. They just have more balls.

[DonP]

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ThorK,

I was playing my DSL100 Orange Crunch 1/2 stack last night. Great tone for playing the bands you mentioned. You need to add Iron Maiden to the list as well. Only problem - LOUD.

I get a very good tone from my Micro Stack for Sabbath and Maiden (anything higher gain), but it fails for AC/DC, G&R, and classic Def Leppard. You need tubes for those tones to get that "musical" breakup vs. transistor buzzsaw.

[kmanick]

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I'd go with 5150 combo. you can get them on EBay for a good
price, they have a closed back and more gain than you'd
ever know what to do with.
I a/b'ed mine against a Marshall JCM 900 hi gain 100 watt combo
and it f'n destroyed it. Not even close. And you can EQ it to sound "Marshall" enough to satisfy the need for a marshall type of sound. just throw in some JJ's and an EQ in the loop, and you're good to go!

[MarshallAbuser]

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Don- I don't have any problem with being loud, I had a 350watt solid state amp I bummed off a friend for a while with a 4x12 marshall cab, pretty loud. Whats the dsl100 orange crunch?

kmanick- 5150, made by peavey right? did not know they were tube-powered (be gentle! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img])
Can you tell me any more about it? You say it can achieve the ac/dc crunch and g'n'r type of gainy crunch?

I'll have to look into that one, thanks!

[kmanick]

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5150 all tube , the loudest f'n 60 watts you will ever hear. [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]
5 12Ax7' and 2 6l6 Power tubes.
Since I retubed mine with JJ's I can get this.

1. rhythm channel Blues to classic rock crunch.
2. rhythm with crunch on . classic crunch all the way to
Megadeth crunch and Van Halen crunch. turn the gain to about 6 and it's Ac/DC time.
3. Lead Channel. most over the top gain you will ever need. [img]/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]
I have mine set with the gain on 7 and I use it just for leads, as I mostly play on the rhythm channel with the
crunch on and the gain dimed.
I love this thing, it's like a Marshall on steroids..with roid rage! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[DonP]

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Don- I don't have any problem with being loud, I had a 350watt solid state amp I bummed off a friend for a while with a 4x12 marshall cab, pretty loud. Whats the dsl100 orange crunch?

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sorry for the auction link - I don't have pictures right now of mine. He has a flash on in these pictures - in real life it's not cream-orange, it's orange, like and orange [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A%3AIT&rd=1

To get classic metal crunch, I dime the clean channel and punch the OD button. The lead is good as well, but if you can get ugly sounds (mud/crap) if you dime everything with high output pickups. I was playing all three of my Les Pauls through it the other night - sounds great even though each has very different pickups. Through my microstack, I only like the tone of my R0.

[MarshallAbuser]

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kmanick- sounds very good, there's only one that i can find on ebay right now, a bit out of my range until next paycheck at least.

Don- haha that orange is awesome! it's just a regular DSL100 right, with a different color?

nice!

[MarshallAbuser]

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Oh, anybody tell me what's up with this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1987-MARSHALL-SILVER...1QQcmdZViewItem

It's tiny, but it's only 12 watts and says will power a 4x12? Interesting... all tube?

Pretty vague description [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Wondering if anyone knows more about it. I could definitely get this... Thanks!

[DonP]

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I believe so, but it's definitely got Drake (vs. Dagnall) transformers.

[MarshallAbuser]

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Oh... meaning? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] (noob!)

[MarshallAbuser]

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I have the 4x12 already, so maybe this is a good buy for me?

[thebisch]

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Oh, anybody tell me what's up with this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1987-MARSHALL-SILVER...1QQcmdZViewItem

It's tiny, but it's only 12 watts and says will power a 4x12? Interesting... all tube?

Pretty vague description [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Wondering if anyone knows more about it. I could definitely get this... Thanks!

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All tube? Ha ha ha...try No tube! This is a 12 watt solid state preactice amp that came with two mini 1x10 cabs to make a mini stack. This same head was also avalible as a 1x10 combo amp as the Lead 12 and the Reverb 12.

[DonP]

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Oh, anybody tell me what's up with this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1987-MARSHALL-SILVER...1QQcmdZViewItem

It's tiny, but it's only 12 watts and says will power a 4x12? Interesting... all tube?

Pretty vague description [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Wondering if anyone knows more about it. I could definitely get this... Thanks!

[/ QUOTE ]

All tube? Ha ha ha...try No tube! This is a 12 watt solid state preactice amp that came with two mini 1x10 cabs to make a mini stack. This same head was also avalible as a 1x10 combo amp as the Lead 12 and the Reverb 12.

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I have that cobmo - Silver Jubilee Micro Stack and it rocks, not like the DSL100, however. Great for the bedroom with the gain full up. I read Billy Gibbons used one of these with a G12H-100 speaker open back to record "Recycler".

I actually have three Microstacks, and I found the older ones with only "one output" in the front sound best. They came out with a "two output on the front" but sound like they tamed it down. I haven't tried one of the newer ones with reverb / CD in / swiss army knife.

One of my three (the Plexi green one) is being transformed into a tube head. 2203 front end with a single EL84 power tube. Not enough room and too much heat for an 18 watter.

[skorb]

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OK I got another question:
do tube amps have to be turned up loud for sufficent gain to be introduced? most of my playing is at home, and I have a solid state Crate that provides gain at lower volume levels. would I just be screwing myself getting a tube combo based on it having to be turned up loud to get the drenched distortion sound we all want?

(thanks, this tube stuff is totally new to me)