the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

[ChrisRocksUSA]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

you're gonna love me bro [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Jesper's amp settings



bjorn's amp settings (you can barely make these out, jesper's is much easier to see)



I'd also like to add that my tone hit that sound much closer when I put V30s in my cabs.

Get a seperate eq too, that makes the amp really come alive.

hope that helps [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Fragle]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

thanks so far. dss3, i'll listen to your clip later when i'm at home.
as for the BBE, i've been searching for a 422a, just out of curiosity, but strangely the ones i wanted to bid on kinda went through the roof...i'll grab one some day and give it a try.

as for the amp settings, thanks. pretty much all straight up, it seems, except for the gain....i cannot understand how they find the 5150 usable with the gain set at 7...maybe they're using the low gain input?!

as far as my settings are concerned....well, i'm still tweaking. last rehearsal i had it set up like this
hi gain input, lead gain 3, bass 6, mids 2, treble 5, resonance 7, presence 8, volume 3, plus a tubescreamer level 5 tone 4 gain 3 (=barely on just for that midrange boost effect). this was with jj tubes in v1 and v2, and since then i swapped them for EH tubes as the JJs seemed rather dull at high volumes....didn't cut very well.
right now i have it set like this
hi input, gain 4, bass 7, mids 2, treble 5, master 2, resonance 3, presence 5, tubescreamer all at noon except for the gain which is turned all the way down. sounds great at low volumes, kinda exodus-ish (so again not swedish at all)....today i'll have another rehersal, i'll give you guys an update how things are sounding, esp. with the different preamp tubes.

ah yeah, i'm tuned to D standard. i know most swedish bands are tuned lower than that, but that's what my band calls for, so....

[Cleveland Metal]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

Hey there DSS3, I understand. I do that too haha... No biggie. Not sure why you wanna change that sound, I like it myself.
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Anyways...

No, the BBE does NOT "give" the Swedish sound (I'm not shooting for that), I never said that. It just made the amp wake up in a way it definitely doesn't on it's own, and I think a lot people would like it. Technically I've seen Ammot using an old Maestro Parametric pedal (yeah try to find one of those, haha) actually and sounded quite "officially swedish" live, haha.

Most of the bands I have seen don't use 5150 cabs either live (usually using Marshalls), BUT, those cabs also sound best IMO as far as getting the most out of those amps. Thats all.

[Fragle]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

i have a GE7, i'm still undecided whether i should use that one in the loop or the boosted crunch channel for lead work. at low volumes i liked the boosted crunch channel for rhythm, btw, but i found it was way too muffled in a band situation, and to clear it up the eq has to be set in a way that makes the lead channel sound nasty. i was very surprised how much more highs and presence i had to dial in when playing with the band...shure i could have compensated by using more volume, but then again that's not very healthy for the whole band mix.
i read a post by jerryp a few days ago where he said he mainly uses the resonance to make up for the lack of fullness when playing at low volumes, something that comes naturally when playing loud....that's why i'm gonna try the resonance set low. furthermore, i scoop the mids, but as i said the ts adds a lot of mids, and i prefer the ts mids over the actual 5150 mids, different frequency range i suppose.

ah, and by the way, when i saw the haunted a few weeks ago, their sound wasn't all that swedish, nor was it anything like the records [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] unfortunately that's the only swedish band i've ever seen live....yeah, i suck [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[bonghits]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

Not trying to get off the topic at hand here but are the newer 6550s the same as the 5150s in tone. Thinking of picking one up myself.

[Fragle]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

aside from the usual differences between any serial production tube head (hardly any e.g. 5150 sounds exactly like another one) as well as tube related differences, they're pretty much the same. afaik the circuits are identical.
you should definitely search ebay for an used 5150, though. they're a lot cheaper used, and you can easily resell it with little to no loss if you happen to dislike it.

[Endrik]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

I got VERY close to that tone with les paul with duncan invaders->5150 II->shitty new Marshall cab
no pedals and shit.
I dialed that tone because a friend of mine wated it.
I remember I didn't use a lot of mids or bass.

That being said I hate that swedish melodeath tone so much that I can't even put it in the words :P
Definetly one of the most unpleasant sounds on this earth to my ears [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[kmanick]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

If I throw My MXR 10 Eq into the loop of my 5150 combo
I can alter the sound out of it quite a bit. I'd try that before a tube screamer in the front. Also try mixing the JJ's with the EH's, I agree the JJ's are not as bright as the EH's, but if you play around with V1-V4 and mix them up you can change your tone a bit. I've JJ power tubes in mine
as well and It makes my 5150 sound a little more "brown"
than the sovteks that were in there.
speakers make a big diffrence witht these as well.
Check out this guys site, he absolutely nails the EVH sound
(I know that's not what you're after) but just so you can see how different you can make a 5150 sound. He's using 25 watt greenbacks.
VHOHOLIC

[JerryP]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

The 6505 and the 5150 are the same. The 6505 made today is the same as the very first 5150 to roll off the line. There's no difference between block logo, signature logo, or 6505. Any tonal difference heard between the different models is due to compnent tolerances or different tubes.

Hey DSS3,
Was that clip recorded with the 5150 I modded? That sounds KILLER! Nice job.
Jerry

[cobhc]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

Fragle, i don't know about soilwork, but as far as in flames go, part of the sound comes from fredrik nordstrom's micing technique, which is a little strange.

[bonghits]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

[ QUOTE ]
The 6505 and the 5150 are the same. The 6505 made today is the same as the very first 5150 to roll off the line. There's no difference between block logo, signature logo, or 6505. Any tonal difference heard between the different models is due to compnent tolerances or different tubes.


[/ QUOTE ]Thanks Jerry.

[DSS3]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

Yes, Nordstrom uses 2 SM57's... one on axis, one angled 45 degrees and off axis, like this: |\

Jerry, that was my beat-to-hell 5150 w/bias and clarity mods, boosted with an OD808 and mic'd with one 57 slightly off axis.


Fragle, from the In Flames DVD, at the smaller club, Bjorn is using the green channel with the crunch and bright switches engaged, gain on 7, eq all at 6, resonance and presence the same as it's set in the previous picture posted.

[Cleveland Metal]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

I may have to buy a 5150 and send it to Jerry!

[DSS3]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

Do it! It's totally worth it. I actually scored mine pre-modded for 600 - Guitar Center didn't see the little sticker on the back, but I did. Put it on layaway 2 days after it came in!

[Dreamland_Rebel]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

if you want that swedish death metal sound, tune down and get your bass player a distortion pedal. distorted bass is a bigger part of that sound than all of you realize or give credit to.