the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

[horns666]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

yeah...John's bro does those mods..he's a hit amoung a few guitarists around here..he just went back to boston now..

I was trying to post a riff I did on John's rig..with a similiar crunching vibe as sworn enemy's riff..but I can't seem to get it posted..sworn enemy that sounds cool..I'll see if I can post my clip later [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[cobhc]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

Horns, if i remember right the sheffields in the 5150 cab are similar in tone to the celestion v30's, have you ever tried the 5150 with a marshall cab with v30's rather than the g12t-75's? And also the idea in someways with the tubescreamer is to roll off some of the lows, making the sound tighter and less boomy in the low end, i think the tube screamer's make more of a difference to a recto than a 5150 as they have a bigger low end. Also i'm with DSS, and James Murphy on the BBE's, they seem to rob your mids, they are ok for a subtle boost on a whole mix for instance, but i don't think they should be used on guitars.

[horns666]

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From what I remeber was that the shefields in the 5150 are supposed to be voice similiar to those of the Gt75s..

Yes I did play and tried Vintage 30's many times..alot more mids without that edge I like for harmonics and less low end I get with the 75's...so I always prefered the 75/s..the only celestion that I've found I liked better than the 75's are the Classic 80s..they are warmer with a even tighter low end..but I wouldn't want to replace my two full stacks with them..that would get silly costly.

No matter what Marshall/ celestion variations I've tried...the shefields made the 5150 far more enjoyable and tighter ..much much more focused..

like I said I find this to be the same with the recto heads as well..

Maybe I'll get a Bogner cab for my Uber..but I do like the sound of my Marshall 1960B cab with the Uber..but I always hear that the Uberkabs sound better...well which makes sense since that cab was designed and matched and tuned to that head..

I never had a problem with mids using a 422 in the loop..to me it just gave the amp more overall oopmh across the board...I can see it robbing mids if you pump the hell out of the low contour knob ..the sound we be all lows at that point and can get fairly bloated sounded..I always kept the BBE lows no more than around 1 O clock..just to thicken it up a bit...use it in moderation.

The BBE does NOT work well with most amps ..it works pretty cool in my Marshall rack...I heard them improve the tones of Crate BVs..but they work best in 5150's to my ears..gives you more of a thicker Iced Earth kinda tone IMO.

Recto don't like them ..and it sounds like crap in the loop of the Uber..I mean immediate crap..

you'll know instantly whether a amp cooperates with a BBE or not...not many amps do well with them.

I hate all the newer BBE's like the 462 and such..they ruined them..way too much harsh sizzle..not warm and musical like the older 422/a units.

[slevy007]

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Get it modified. Set up the bias a little hotter, and lower the gain. Check out voodoo amps, or fjamods.com
Got my 5150 modded by Jerry P at FJAMODS. Great work, great guy. This things blows away any stock 5150 I have ever heard.
More versatile, more usuable, tight gain.
Check out his site. Trust me! [img]/images/graemlins/idea2.gif[/img]
Also, the sheffield/5150 cab is a good idea. It's very trebly and bassy. Also, try using a BBE sonic maximizer. It made a huge difference for me personally.

slevy007 [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

[DSS3]

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I prefer V30's with my 5150 so far, but will be getting 2 G12T-75's to put in an X pattern with them, like the Uberkab. I know a guy who runs an Uberkab with his 5150... fucking amazing tone, and it's a stock 5150.


The Sheffields are actually higher wattage Greenback copies.

[slayer]

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Celestion Lead 80`s are smokin!! Very loud and clear with a tight bass. Great for super power metal, but not all that great for crunchy palm muting, they are hard to get to break up. Jack.

[Orchid]

Re: the 5150 and *that* swedish metal tone...

If I were to use a Boss GE-7 eq with it, would it be better to put it through the front, or the loop?

[DSS3]

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Doesn't get more Swedish than Arch Enemy and Mike Amott [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

[Firebird V]

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I used to run a 5150 with a GE-7 and a NS-2 in the loop. Scoop out the mids. I had several cabs but it sounded great with These 2 Carvin 2x12's I had. THey had Carvin speakers in them and They had that black fur all over them. It did the SDM thing very well. I think you should maybe try the GE-7 in the loop first. Then if that does not do it then try a new cab.

[Orchid]

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I'll try the GE-7 in the loop, but I'm definately not scooping out any mids.

[horns666]

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you need mids...guitar is based on mids..

there IS certain freqs that do grate on my nerves and ears tho..those I try to curb..but not dump too much.

I think Arch Enemy is the epitome of a GREAT 5150/Swedish thrash tone..IMO!

I think they have one of the best lead tones I ever heard from a 5150..and the Amotts just RULE! [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

I've owned a GE-7 and they do work well..especially as a lead boost...but they don't cover enough sonic tweakage for me..

I try to milk the best tone I can from the amp itself with the least amount of processors possible..I believe in that area sometimes less is more..

I found the BBE was the ticket for me concerning the 5150 and that's it..I've had many various rack eqs in the loops of 5150s and I drove myself nuts dialing for years on end..

A 5150...with a G Major (or your favorite fx unit) ...BBE 422 and the matching 5150 cab is THE ticket..IMO!!

[Orchid]

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The best tone IMO of the best rhythm/riffage tone from the 5150 is In Flames' "Clayman" album. I just fucking love that thick, chunky ass riffage. What's a good Arch enemy song w/ good leads, so I can see what theirs sounds like?

[DSS3]

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Fuck... Try 'Ravenous' first. Anything off the Wages of Sin album!

[horns666]

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One of my very melodic solos of Arch Enemy is "Silverwing"...when they were with Liva ..it's on Burning Bridges I believe

that solo just has so much fuggin' feeling to it!

That whole record has some of my favorite 5150 lead tones~~~ [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

Saw In flames four times and they always kicked ass...I saw them with a 5150 w/ a Ampeg cab loaded w/ celestion GT75s..the Lee Jackson series came with either V30's or 75's... Then I saw them with POD pros and they still sounded pretty good ..it was a good mix anywhoo...I believe that was Clayman because they opened with "Pinball Map"!!

Ravenouse of Wages of Sin is cool too like mentioned...that's w/ Angela.

Angela is better to look at but I do prefer Liva..but she does a great job and put them on the map IMO [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[metallicarocks]

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Horns, if i remember right the sheffields in the 5150 cab are similar in tone to the celestion v30's, have you ever tried the 5150 with a marshall cab with v30's rather than the g12t-75's

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*shudders*

That combination ruined my respect for the DR for a long time. It sounded absofuckinlutely horrible. I was asking to go back to the Marshall MG halfstack for Christ's sake!