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  • #46
    Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

    "just one question....which amp had more clarity to offer when playing those complex chords? i assume the marshall, as mesas (at least the rectos) tend to lack clarity when playing intervals other than a perfect 5th, but i don't have any experience with the mark series that's why i'm asking....my band (and especially the stuff i write) uses a lot of these complex chords to get a halfway unique sound, and therefore note seperation is very important for me."

    Well, I don't use Rectos for this reason, just not my type of sound. Check out Petrucci's work on the recent recordings - if you like the sound, then the amps will do the chords ok. Mark seems to be much different from the rectos and takes clarity one step up. I would consider Mark's clarity to be 6-7 out of 10.
    Marshall's sound is much different though for the complex cords. Yes, it has a bit more clarity, not hugely more but noticably. But the sound is very interesting, there is more interplay and harmonic content changes as the chords sounds. In other words - it is not as static as Mesa's version, more 'alive'. And there is unmistacable strong interplay which is the Marshall signature sounds, this is how I think people immidiately recognize it saying 'Marshall roar' etc. I would put Marshall at 7-8 for clarity.
    Soldano I tried was at 8-9 clarity level, great for complex chords or dynamic leads (decatone).
    VHT is another reference I have is at 9-10 clarity. Much less compression than Mesa, actually even less than Marshall. Try this one for complex chordal work. But this is the least forgiving amp out of these four.
    Alex

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    • #47
      Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

      a dual rectifier can sound like most of anything if you tweak it right. (and still maintain amazing clarity - if your rec is muddy - its your fault)


      stiletto update.
      i'm loving this amp. all the channels and modes do what the they claim to do extremely well.

      now if it only came with reverb!
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      • #48
        Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

        VHTs are probably the clearest amps ever made
        "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

        "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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        • #49
          Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

          [ QUOTE ]
          "just one question....which amp had more clarity to offer when playing those complex chords? i assume the marshall, as mesas (at least the rectos) tend to lack clarity when playing intervals other than a perfect 5th, but i don't have any experience with the mark series that's why i'm asking....my band (and especially the stuff i write) uses a lot of these complex chords to get a halfway unique sound, and therefore note seperation is very important for me."

          Well, I don't use Rectos for this reason, just not my type of sound. Check out Petrucci's work on the recent recordings - if you like the sound, then the amps will do the chords ok. Mark seems to be much different from the rectos and takes clarity one step up. I would consider Mark's clarity to be 6-7 out of 10.
          Marshall's sound is much different though for the complex cords. Yes, it has a bit more clarity, not hugely more but noticably. But the sound is very interesting, there is more interplay and harmonic content changes as the chords sounds. In other words - it is not as static as Mesa's version, more 'alive'. And there is unmistacable strong interplay which is the Marshall signature sounds, this is how I think people immidiately recognize it saying 'Marshall roar' etc. I would put Marshall at 7-8 for clarity.
          Soldano I tried was at 8-9 clarity level, great for complex chords or dynamic leads (decatone).
          VHT is another reference I have is at 9-10 clarity. Much less compression than Mesa, actually even less than Marshall. Try this one for complex chordal work. But this is the least forgiving amp out of these four.
          Alex

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          I agree with just about all of the above. Especially the Soldano.
          Regarding the Stiletto... it ain't no Rectifier. Its the best Mesa amp to come out in a while. To me it sounds like a ballsy Marshall. Very clear, articulate and punchy with just the right amount of gain. Tons of options and switches and modes. The Stiletto is a very versatile amp. Its on my list of amps I HAVE TO OWN ONE DAY. It even looks cool.
          It smoked my Vetta HD at our last gig. Thats why I am bringing my Soldano to the next one... and thats all I gotta say about that.

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          • #50
            Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

            the stiletto really sounds interesting....i like the way rectos sound on a recording, e.g. nevermore - dead heart in a dead world, but i doubt i could successfully use one live....not as long as the other dude's playing a marshall...i've seen bands who did that, one recto and one marshall....the marshall stood out clearly, the recto just fizzed it all up when both guitars were playing...solo'ed it sounded amazing as usual, just doesn't mix well with a marshall imho.
            therefore, the stiletto sounds really promising...i bet it would blend really well with a marshall....midrangey enough to cut through, but still different enough to get good seperation and punch.

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            • #51
              Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

              [ QUOTE ]
              the stiletto really sounds interesting....i like the way rectos sound on a recording, e.g. nevermore - dead heart in a dead world, but i doubt i could successfully use one live....not as long as the other dude's playing a marshall...i've seen bands who did that, one recto and one marshall....the marshall stood out clearly, the recto just fizzed it all up when both guitars were playing...solo'ed it sounded amazing as usual, just doesn't mix well with a marshall imho.
              therefore, the stiletto sounds really promising...i bet it would blend really well with a marshall....midrangey enough to cut through, but still different enough to get good seperation and punch.

              [/ QUOTE ]

              Exactly.

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              • #52
                Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

                I got a duece not expecting much just knowing I could flip it if I wanted. Great amp. Really this amp kinda falls in a hole. It is british sounding but isn't straight up marshall. It isn't as heavy as a recto. IT is versatile but not as much as a mark. The cleans are my favorite leans on any boogie I have ever had and I have had quite a few. I compared them to the tremoverb that the duece is sitting on and personally I think it blows them away. I can get very marshally tones out of this amp. I can get MOP all day long. I can't quite get Jubilee slashy sounds but close enough.

                This amp isn't supre high gain though. It is all useable gain
                I keep the bible in a pool of blood
                So that none of its lies can affect me

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                • #53
                  Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

                  I play a Dual Rec and one of the other guitarists in my band uses a DSL 50 Marshall and I really dig the way our sounds are when played together...one picks up where the other leaves off. It makes one big guitar sound when you're both playing the same thing. If the Mesa is fizzing out then theres something wrong with how it is set.

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                  • #54
                    Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

                    [ QUOTE ]
                    I play a Dual Rec and one of the other guitarists in my band uses a DSL 50 Marshall and I really dig the way our sounds are when played together...one picks up where the other leaves off. It makes one big guitar sound when you're both playing the same thing. If the Mesa is fizzing out then theres something wrong with how it is set.

                    [/ QUOTE ]

                    maybe that's really the case. might as well be player's fault, too. i don't own a recto, that's just my observation from the audience. eventually i WILL own one though, that's for sure [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
                    but well, let me just give god dethroned (NOT god forbid [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]) as an example...last time i saw them (opening for the haunted) their rhythm guitar player used a dual recto, and their lead player a 5150 I head with the gain way down btw...very similar to how i have my 5150 set actually. anyways, the point is that the 5150 dude stood out much better, he didn't even have to boost his volume for leads (small venue so the PA didn't really play a huge role there) because he cut through no matter what, in contrast to the recto which was just pure mush as soon as the 5150 kicked in. when soundchecking he sounded awesome, though...í remember thinking "wow, kickass sound" when he played the first chords, but then the 5150 kicked in and he instantly disappeared. the thing is, the 5150 sounded like total shit without the band playing, very thin and harsh. go figure [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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                    • #55
                      Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

                      it's because 5150 has higher mids than the recto, recto has VERY low mids, higher midrange is dominant to the lower midrange in the whole band mix.
                      "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

                      "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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                      • #56
                        Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

                        I had a chance to play one of these again, and it just didn't do it for me.

                        I sincerly hope it's not my dumbass eqing it wrong, and missing out on a really good thing.

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                        • #57
                          Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

                          [ QUOTE ]
                          it's because 5150 has higher mids than the recto, recto has VERY low mids, higher midrange is dominant to the lower midrange in the whole band mix.

                          [/ QUOTE ]

                          EXACTLY.

                          Rectifiers fit better in 1 guitar bands. They also work very well with other Rectifiers. Throw a Marshall or another midrange heavy amp in there and the Rectifiers almost disappear in the mix. I gigged in a band where 1 guitarist had a 5150 (me) running through 1 4 x 12 Carvin cab and the other had a Dual Rectifier running through 2 oversized Mesa 4 x 12 cabs. He had double the speakers that I had. My 5150 dominated the stage. Why??? Mids.

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                          • #58
                            Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

                            yeah that's the reason I like Mesas, the lower frequency midrange and the power you get playing as the only guitarists (ps. I have an HUGE ego too so I have a problem playing with the other guitarists [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] )
                            "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

                            "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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                            • #59
                              Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

                              [ QUOTE ]
                              yeah that's the reason I like Mesas, the lower frequency midrange and the power you get playing as the only guitarists (ps. I have an HUGE ego too so I have a problem playing with the other guitarists [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] )

                              [/ QUOTE ]

                              For 1 guitar bands, Rectifiers are fantastic.

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                              • #60
                                Re: mesa stiletto duece ver 1

                                "ps. I have an HUGE ego too "

                                where's the "old news are so exciting" pic? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

                                j/k [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

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