Modelers vs tube amps.. yeehaa!!!

[nor]

The 'G' stands for 'gear'

[Genebaby]

for an amp, wouldn't that be AAS?

Let's give the benefit of the doubt and assume we're talking about Gear Aquisition Syndrom....

[RacerX]

Skorb, quit making an aas of yourself!

[Chameleonfong]

Two Rock

[Firebird V]

I just went back to the SLO again. I had been using the L6 Flextone IIIxl for the last few months and I like it a lot. It rocks! But deep down inside I just love the sound of tubes. I hav ethe best of both worlds this way. I am happy in both worlds. The L6 makes you sound great though. It hides a lot of flubs IMO. Not a bad thing I guess.

[Inearthed]

Vetta / XTL / whatever spanks tube rigs in terms of versatility.

But if you're like me and you really only use 3 tones live (clean w/effects, rhythm high gain, lead w/effects) then it is overkill. I really don't have the patience to for tweaking patches a bunch too.

Perhaps when they get to the Vetta 3, I'll jump on the wagon. I'm just not 100% convinced yet.

[Thor Von Clemson]

Inearthed, what setup are you using live if you don't mind me asking?

[jgcable]

I just went back to the SLO again. I had been using the L6 Flextone IIIxl for the last few months and I like it a lot. It rocks! But deep down inside I just love the sound of tubes. I hav ethe best of both worlds this way. I am happy in both worlds. The L6 makes you sound great though. It hides a lot of flubs IMO. Not a bad thing I guess.

I am with you Chris. 100%.

[Fragle]

btw, for some reason i think i sound worse when playing through my pod - and i'm not talking about the tone which obviously is worse than my all tube amps (framus cobra, peavey 5150, marshall jcm800), i'm talking about my PLAYING.
the thing is, if i'm playing leads using my tube amp i think my playing sounds a lot better than when i'm using the pod. i haven't had the chance to record me playing through the tube amps (yet) cause i don't own a mic, so i can't tell if it's just the placebo fx kicking in. however, my ears certainly tell me that my playing sounds worse when using the pod (straight into my PC btw), especially when playing leads.

i dunno....somehow i doubt that e.g. the cobra covers up "mistakes" which can be heared when using the pod

[jgcable]

I play better through my tube amps too. I sound better through the Vetta and the GT-6 though. Go figure.

[Fragle]

btw, once you start using some *slight* fx (reverb and delay, or reverb and chorus) on the pod it starts to sound fine, but then again i feel like i'm using fx to cover up shitty playing.
well, i don't use any fx whatsoever when playing my tube amps.....

[jgcable]

btw, once you start using some *slight* fx (reverb and delay, or reverb and chorus) on the pod it starts to sound fine, but then again i feel like i'm using fx to cover up shitty playing.
well, i don't use any fx whatsoever when playing my tube amps.....

I find it harder to play with delay correctly. The problem that most players have when using delay is they don't set the tempo correctly. You really have to tap tempo the delay. Even my dry channels have reverb on them!

[Fragle]

well, i'm using delay just for some ambience, so the tap tempo isn't really crucial. basically, i've got it set for a single repeat with a short delay time and very low delay level, so basically it's barely audible, just enough to make notes sound fat a la lynch but not as extreme

[MBreinin]

I can't think of a single guitar player whose style I try to emulate that plays a purely dry tone. To me, dry is like nails on a chalkboard.

I remember the first time I used a delay pedal....it was like the clouds parted and there it was...tone that sounded like a record!

I use a nice warm reverb and delay setup to enhance the reverb, ala Eddie.

Mike

[jgcable]

well, i'm using delay just for some ambience, so the tap tempo isn't really crucial. basically, i've got it set for a single repeat with a short delay time and very low delay level, so basically it's barely audible, just enough to make notes sound fat a la lynch but not as extreme

Personally, I think you are using the wrong approach when it comes to delay. The way you use it is the way most players do. Setting your delay for ambience with a single repeat and a short delay time is exactly opposite of what Lynch does.
Not only does George tap tempo (or have preset to the correct tempo) but he actually uses 2 delays set at different timing. He engages the second delay for those long swells when he holds or double stop bends and also when he does his signature vertical vibrato.
When you use delay as ambience it only muds up your tone and makes complex passages sound sloppy. The trick is to play "to" the delay and if the delay tempo matches the tempo of the song it sound so much better.
I tap tempo all of my delays. Most of them are presets that are approximately the same tempo as the song I am playing.
A popular delay time for me is one delay set at 380ms and the other set at 420ms. I engage the 420ms only on long notes, dives, bends or wicked vibrato. The 380 covers many of the straight up 80's metal tunes.
Try experimenting more with your delay. It really isn't a set and forget effect.