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  • Mesa Stiletto Deuce Review...

    I just got my Stiletto back from being repaired and modified. Engineered Sound did such a good job clamping and gluing the cabinet I can barely tell it was cracked. I guess it was a good thing that it cracked at the bottom seam.
    Well... on to the review.
    I had the Hollywood Mod done to the amp.
    This is a 2 channel head with a dedicated solo boost. Each channel has 3 modes. The Hollywood mod affects only 2 modes on channel 2. What it does exactly is it adds a bit if low end and drive to the Tite Gain Mode and it reduces the bass and adds gain to the Fluid Drive mode.
    Many people complained when the Deuce and the Trident first came out because the the Tite Gain mode was not heavy enough for old school metal like Priest, Maiden, Accept etc.... and the Fluid Drive mode had too much bass, it was a little fuzzy and it needed a dose of Rectifier gain.
    Well... mission accomplished.
    Channel 1 has always been stellar. It has a fat clean, a tite clean and a cloned crunch which also appears in Channel 2. No problems with this channel at all for any type of music.
    Channel 2 REALLY HONESTLY and TRULY can give you:

    Mode 1... CRUNCH This is anything from light rock all the way up to Back in Black. It all depends on how much gain you dial in.

    Mode 2... TITE GAIN This is modern heavy and crushing. NO sag at all. There is enough gain to do just about anything. The bottom end is thundering. Its an extremely aggressive high gain Cameron modded Marshall 2203 tone. You would swear you were playing a modded 2203. Its that "sounds clean and super heavy at the same time" type sound. It really makes this amp sound like it has E34L's in it. I retubed a Carvin MTS3200 once with E34L's and high gain preamp tubes and it sounded very similar to this amp. It also reminds me alot of the Carvin Legacy.

    Mode 3...FLUID DRIVE This channel sounds VERY much like a Rectifier to my ears. If you retubed a Rectifier with EL34's it would sound very much like this mode. You can scoop it out for death metal, you can boost it up for power metal... this channel is ALL METAL. It sizzles like a rectifier. Here is another thing. The bass doesn't start coming on strong until you start turning it up. Just like a Rectifier. You can literally make your guitar sound like a frikkin chainsaw. You actually have to turn the treble down a little. Its a modern metal tone with plenty of gain for the heaviest of tones.

    I think the amp sounds the best with both channels set on Tube Rectifier Tracking instead of Silicon Diodes. I also like Channel 1 set at 50w and Channel 2 set at 100w. I also have the switch on the front set to Bold.

    Is it a winner?? Yep. I actually liked it stock too but it was broken and it needed to be fixed anyway. Apparently, there are very few Stage 1 Stiletto's with this mod because Mesa offered it for a very short time.
    Supposedly.. the Stage 2 (identified by a II on the front panel near the input jacks) has this mod built in. They also upgraded the power supply to a new lightening fast one that tightens the low end, increases overall authority & mid punch of the entire amp.

    So... in a nutshell. What do I think?
    If you were looking for a Rectifier and a modded high gain Marshall all in 1 amp and you didn't want to buy the Randall RM100 with modules I would suggest you take a look at a Stage 2 Stiletto Deuce or Trident.
    It doesn't nail the Rectifier tone although its extremely close. Close enough for most ears.
    It doesn't nail the modded high gain 2203 tone although its again.. extremely close. Close enough for most ears.
    Best of all.. both tones are in 1 amp thats built extremely well, looks awesome cosmetically, is loud as hell, has a dedicated solo boost (just like the later model Rectifers), has a fantastic clean channel that can be cloned as a second rhythm crunch channel and the ability to choose between 50w and 100w on each channel.

    Clips to follow.

  • #2
    I will wait on the clips.

    Sounds like a winner!

    Mike
    Sleep. The sound doesn't collapse to riffs of early eyes either.

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    • #3
      Sounds very nice..I must give that a test drive next visit to GC!!

      Good review John!!
      "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
      Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

      "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by horns666
        Sounds very nice..I must give that a test drive next visit to GC!!

        Good review John!!
        Forget GC, I think John has every amp anyone would want to own right at his house Good stuff, thanks for the review, I was really interested in hearing how it sounded. Later on I might give it a try, but the RM100 is holding me over...for now.

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        • #5
          Yea guys, I shit you not. This amp is for real. My bandmate has been complaining lately about his DSL100. He thinks it might be his speakers that are giving him a little mud. He has a mid 80's 1960a with a ton of miles on it. I told him that I don't think its the cab. The problem he has is he is comparing his tone to my Vetta which isn't a fair fight. I am going to bring the Stiletto Hollywood over to our next rehearsal for him to try.
          You guys really need to go to your local Mesa dealer and try out the Stage II Deuce and Trident. If they sound as good as my Stage I Deuce you will be blown away. If I actually needed this amp it would most certainly be my #1 amp. It smokes both of my 5150's in every repect.

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          • #6
            You know, I liked the Stiletto when I tried it, but the problem is that I just couldn't justify the amp, unfortunately. I do the extreme metal thing and cannot manage it in my band... The Lonestar, as well, is quite excellent but I just can't manage it. If I lived in a house I'd definitely snag one of 'em!

            Glad to hear you're digging it. Heard GREAT things about the Hollywood mod too!

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            • #7
              who did the Hollywood mod?

              try my settings and tell me what you think with the mod.

              volume loud as hell.
              pres 0
              bass 10
              mid 10
              treb 0
              gain 10

              fluid drive (try tite gain too)
              bold
              rectifier set to your personal preference.

              loop on: taylor your tone with these setting by adjusting the balance between pre and power.
              loop off: just turn the bitch up till it sounds good.
              Widow - "We have songs"

              http://jameslugo.com/johnewooteniv.shtml

              http://ultimateguitarsound.com

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              • #8
                Glad to hear it, and great read (as always), John!

                Keith

                p.s. Clips!
                The JCF-er Formerly Known as axtogrind.

                myspace.com/boogieblockmusic

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dreamland_Rebel
                  who did the Hollywood mod?

                  try my settings and tell me what you think with the mod.

                  volume loud as hell.
                  pres 0
                  bass 10
                  mid 10
                  treb 0
                  gain 10

                  fluid drive (try tite gain too)
                  bold
                  rectifier set to your personal preference.

                  loop on: taylor your tone with these setting by adjusting the balance between pre and power.
                  loop off: just turn the bitch up till it sounds good.
                  John, I used your exact settings and the amp sounds fan-fukkin-tastic.
                  Its alot more throaty and high gain sounding. Almost Soldano like.
                  Who would have figured? When you look at those settings you can almost hear the mud and that couldn't be farther from the truth.
                  I'm leaving them right there.
                  I leave the loop on because I have my G-Major in it.
                  Wow... double wow...
                  You know your shit bro. Thanks!! JG

                  BTW... David Sarge from Engineered Sound in PA did it.

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                  • #10
                    Paul Reed Smith himself taught me that trick.
                    Widow - "We have songs"

                    http://jameslugo.com/johnewooteniv.shtml

                    http://ultimateguitarsound.com

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dreamland_Rebel
                      Paul Reed Smith himself taught me that trick.
                      What gives??? It seems that the midrange maxed negates the need for presence or treble. Its got to be the active EQ and the frequency range of the midrange control.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dreamland_Rebel
                        who did the Hollywood mod?

                        try my settings and tell me what you think with the mod.

                        volume loud as hell.
                        pres 0
                        bass 10
                        mid 10
                        treb 0
                        gain 10
                        These settings are the secret to the Peavey 5150 as well.

                        Well, not the gain at 10 - that should be at like 4 or 5 on a 5150, but the EQ is identical. Nice tip - next time I play a Stiletto I'll do that (and probably not end up turning it off in disgust).

                        There is something like this for Fender amps, too. It's called the 6s or something - you run the treble and presence at 6, and the mids and bass at 3 (equalling a 3rd 6? ) and that's the quintessential "Fender sound."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dreamland_Rebel
                          Paul Reed Smith himself taught me that trick.
                          I want to learn tricks from PRSH.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Adam
                            These settings are the secret to the Peavey 5150 as well.

                            Well, not the gain at 10 - that should be at like 4 or 5 on a 5150, but the EQ is identical. Nice tip - next time I play a Stiletto I'll do that (and probably not end up turning it off in disgust).

                            There is something like this for Fender amps, too. It's called the 6s or something - you run the treble and presence at 6, and the mids and bass at 3 (equalling a 3rd 6? ) and that's the quintessential "Fender sound."
                            I can assure you there is nothing disgusting about my Stiletto's tone. Make sure you check out a Stage II model.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jgcable
                              What gives??? It seems that the midrange maxed negates the need for presence or treble. Its got to be the active EQ and the frequency range of the midrange control.
                              no, this is actually what he said for marshalls. but it does transition to other amps aswell.

                              mid has tons of treble in its frequency control range. and since guitar natuarally puts out nothing but mids... having the mid knob full on has all the highs that the guitar is really capable of. the treble and pres knobs are just adding white noise. some like it, some don't, but the louder you play, the more white noise is added from the speaker breakup.

                              also with the mids up all the way the bass frequencys are smooshed cause again, mids are all the guitar is really capable of. so turning up the bass all the way brings some of them back.

                              watch what happens with these setting when you start to turn the treble knob up. it instantly sounds like someone is starting to put a wet blanket over your cab. crazy huh? but thats the physics of it.
                              Widow - "We have songs"

                              http://jameslugo.com/johnewooteniv.shtml

                              http://ultimateguitarsound.com

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