Soldano vs. Vetta 2

[Twisteramps]

No, actually I'm not kidding.

I'll say it again, how much are AX2's worth nowadays? It is inevitable. When the next model comes out the previous model is worth less.

Modelling or tubes or whatever you say? Someone who bought a new SLO 10 years ago could sell it today and not "take a bath". They hold their value pretty well.

...and if you bought a Peavey VTM new, you'd have REALLY lost your ass. I bought a VTM60 several months ago for $129 at a pawn shop. Guy actually thanked me for buying it, said they had it for months. Some manufacturers are going to hold value better than others. If you hold onto it forever and a day, damn near any Marshall will probably end up being worth more than you paid. No offense to Marshall fans, but I'd like to see a JCM2000 hold up for another 20 years.

Looking at completed auctions on ebay, I see someone paid $450 for an ax2 w/footswitch!

Pete

[Sinistas]

Wow, amazing, tube people hating on the Vetta. Never thought I'd see the day. Newsflash: you can love tube amps and not trash modelers all the time.

Case in point: My band is about to open for Katatonia/Moonspell/Daylight Dies in October. My other guitarist fires up his Carvin MTS3200. Nope. Nothing. Tubes are DEAD. We're running behind, so what do I say? "Dude, just run your XT Live direct to the PA" (he was using it for effects). Saved our ass, and we sounded great from all accounts.

You want to hate on Line 6, go ahead. They might not be for you, but they're for somebody.

[thenine]

sheesh. I am not hating on modellers in any way shape or form. All I said was resale value drops when the next model comes out. This has been proven over time.

This thread is (was) about vetta vs Soldano. I fail to see what a TSL, 2000 or Peavey VTM has to do with it.

You guys need to relax. We all like amps.

[Twisteramps]

sheesh. I am not hating on modellers in any way shape or form. All I said was resale value drops when the next model comes out. This has been proven over time.

This thread is (was) about vetta vs Soldano. I fail to see what a TSL, 2000 or Peavey VTM has to do with it.

You guys need to relax. We all like amps.

Sorry, I thought it would be ok to compare modelling amps to tube amps in general regarding value. You certainly commented on AX2 values also. Last I knew, that didn't fall into Vetta vs Soldano.

[sevser]

Wow, amazing, tube people hating on the Vetta. Never thought I'd see the day. Newsflash: you can love tube amps and not trash modelers all the time.

Case in point: My band is about to open for Katatonia/Moonspell/Daylight Dies in October. My other guitarist fires up his Carvin MTS3200. Nope. Nothing. Tubes are DEAD. We're running behind, so what do I say? "Dude, just run your XT Live direct to the PA" (he was using it for effects). Saved our ass, and we sounded great from all accounts.

You want to hate on Line 6, go ahead. They might not be for you, but they're for somebody.

This is just a discussion...People sharing with people...Fuck...That sounded like Richard Simonds in pink tights...didn't it?

Thats cool about the XTLive situation and exactly why I feel safe with my rig...One or the other goes down...I can use one without the other...How cool is that?!

Tell your bud to pack extra tubes though! they are quite small and light...Not too hard to pack around with ya...

[Sinistas]

I think my problem is this:

Fans of modeling amps will usually admit that they prefer the sound of tube amps but like the versatility. People who don't like the concept state that the software/chipset will be obsolete, the resale value is low, the sound is "lifeless", etc. I don't like the sound of Marshalls, for example, but I won't go into a Marshall thread and keep stating my displeasure. That's not discussion, it's trolling.

[danastas]

Well, I'll say this. I bought both used. $1700 Vetta new goes for $1000 used. $3300 Soldano goes for $2100 used (I actually just got mine off EBAY for $1800).

So, there's a 33% markdown in both cases. I don't see why these Vettas can't be upgraded and put into use for a very long time. They sound great. For that reason, their value should stay relatively stable. I wouldn't be concerned about chips or software either.

The only real concern which knocks the price down relative to tube amps is service. If it breaks, and Line 6 isn't servicing these anymore, you're in trouble.

[Sanctuary]

I think my problem is this:

Fans of modeling amps will usually admit that they prefer the sound of tube amps but like the versatility. People who don't like the concept state that the software/chipset will be obsolete, the resale value is low, the sound is "lifeless", etc. I don't like the sound of Marshalls, for example, but I won't go into a Marshall thread and keep stating my displeasure. That's not discussion, it's trolling.

Same thing with the Kahler vs Floyd discussion. It's fucking inane. You prefer one over the other? Whoop-de-do. The world really doesn't care either way.

To be honest, I was a tube snob too. I've learned that products and people can change. I can't wait to try the Vetta and see how far the modellers have come. Frankly, I couldn't give a crap about re-sale. IMHO, there's way too many speculators out there when it comes to music now days. It's probably due to all the non-guitarists buying the vintage stuff. You can't talk about anything these days without some pleb bringing up re-sale (when in most cases, the item was only just purchased!). I look at it this way. You buy something new? You take a hit. Plain and simple. Enjoy what you got. If you don't like it, sell it. And if you can't get your money back well...tough. You decided to part with your cash in the first place.

Now, back to the Vetta....

[charvelguy]

This is just a discussion...People sharing with people...Fuck...That sounded like Richard Simonds in pink tights...didn't it?

...

.. that was unpleasant.. it brought up late 70's early 80's TV all over again. hmm, the Waltons, HeeHaw, Lawrence Welk or Wild Kingdom.. I can't decide.

[Sinistas]

I don't buy things with resale value in mind anyways...Unless it's getting something for cheaper than it's really worth! haha

I might add, I love the Vettas I've heard, and if I had the cash, I'd have 3. In addition to nice tube amps, of course.

[Mikernaut2]

Well I'm going to join the "Vetta" club aswell, ordered one on Friday thru Matt after getting some questions answered by Jgcable. Felt it was finally time to upgrade up from my GT-6 and cheapy studio monitors. (wasnt doing the guitar's justice)

One question , Is there a usb midi cord & software program included to do the upgrade to 2.5? or do I need to go buy one somewhere?

Also if you guys wanna share any patches to check out that would be awesome.

[danastas]

You have to buy a Midi cable. I bought a Midisport Uno. $30. Works just fine.

Send me a PM with email addy and I'll send whatever patches I have.

Also, you can download some off the Vetta website at Line 6. This is a very hit or miss proposition, since everyone and their mom uploads their patches. I have found a few I play regularly, though. one is called "Chunky Soldano"

[charvelguy]

question.. do vetta patches work with the guitar port/UX2 or are they sold as being specifically tailored to the hardware with essentially the same sounds?

[khabibissell]

I have never played through a Vetta, but I watched a band recently who's guitarist was using one (Vetta II head). His tone was horrible. I've heard solid state Crates sound better. It was an indistinguishable mess. Of course it was most likely a case of the guy not knowing how to dial the amp in... but that is the problem with these amps IMO. There are so many parameters available that it is easy to screw it up. I've only used a POD XTL and though I know it could sound great, I gave up screwing with it.

I've played a SLO once briefly and all I did was plug into it and turn it on. It was one of the most amazing amplifiers I've ever heard in person (not that I'm all that "seasoned"). I didn't touch the EQ... I didn't have to.

I also find it hard to believe that a Vetta can come anywhere near a raging tube halfstack in floor rumbling punch and projection, or have that
"lively" tube feel. Maybe at bedroom volumes it is close. Though I'm sure they can sound great and agree that they are versatile, it is apples and oranges really.

I guess if it works for you, go for it!

[jgcable]

I have never played through a Vetta, but I watched a band recently who's guitarist was using one (Vetta II head). His tone was horrible. I've heard solid state Crates sound better. It was an indistinguishable mess. Of course it was most likely a case of the guy not knowing how to dial the amp in... but that is the problem with these amps IMO. There are so many parameters available that it is easy to screw it up. I've only used a POD XTL and though I know it could sound great, I gave up screwing with it.

I've played a SLO once briefly and all I did was plug into it and turn it on. It was one of the most amazing amplifiers I've ever heard in person (not that I'm all that "seasoned"). I didn't touch the EQ... I didn't have to.

I also find it hard to believe that a Vetta can come anywhere near a raging tube halfstack in floor rumbling punch and projection, or have that
"lively" tube feel. Maybe at bedroom volumes it is close. Though I'm sure they can sound great and agree that they are versatile, it is apples and oranges really.

I guess if it works for you, go for it!

Thats correct. Its alot easier to make a Vetta sound like canned ass because there are so many more wrong roads you can travel down.

Thats why it pays to learn how to use one. No matter where we play and what the other guitarists are using for amps or guitars.. I always get the most compliments on my tone and usually I am playing a $250.00 beater guitar with worn out frets.