Line 6 gurus, gather 'round.....

[nateb]

No, but I'm a computer tech. Maybe we can get your PC to recognize the Vetta.

Have you tried different cab models? I've found that the cab emulation makes a definite difference in sustain and the "hotness" feel.

Seriously. The only time I have had any success with A.I.R. and the cab emulation is when I am recording direct.

FWIW, you really should turn that stuff off when playing out a cab. The cab emulators make it sound like hammered shit and I have tried with some pretty damn high quality cabs (Oversized Mesa Recto's, Genz-Benz 2x12's) Had the same experience with both PODXT Pro and Vetta II HD.

-Nate

[chrisolson]

Seriously. The only time I have had any success with A.I.R. and the cab emulation is when I am recording direct.

FWIW, you really should turn that stuff off when playing out a cab. The cab emulators make it sound like hammered shit and I have tried with some pretty damn high quality cabs (Oversized Mesa Recto's, Genz-Benz 2x12's) Had the same experience with both PODXT Pro and Vetta II HD.

-Nate

Glad I'm not the only one. Mine are ALWAYS OFF!!

[skorb]

There's lots of Vetta lovers on JCF, ..........but it's a tweaker's amp.

ya know, I don't agree with that Chris.

once you have your various tones set up right (and I agree this can take some time depending on the amt of desired tones and the user's predilection for technology), the Vetta is a set-and-forget/plug-in-and-play amp.

I hardly do any tweaking now at all. all my tones for our various cover songs in our setlist are set in there and I just punch them up and wail out. and if I'm at rehearsal and I hear something I don't like, it's usually a very easy adjustment on one or two variables to reset it to my preference.

I think the "tweaking hell" reputation of the Vetta is way overblown.

[Trypp Powell]

I just found this thread, so I'm chiming in sort of late. However, I used to own a Flextone II + that I ran with a 1x12 extension cabinet and I currently have a Vetta. Judicious use of EQ will put the Vetta sounds into the Flextone II ballpark if that is what you are going for. I really dug the Flextone II tones (so much that I still think about picking up another one off of ebay), but there are incredible tones inside the Vetta.

[chrisolson]

ya know, I don't agree with that Chris.

once you have your various tones set up right (and I agree this can take some time depending on the amt of desired tones and the user's predilection for technology), the Vetta is a set-and-forget/plug-in-and-play amp.

I hardly do any tweaking now at all. all my tones for our various cover songs in our setlist are set in there and I just punch them up and wail out. and if I'm at rehearsal and I hear something I don't like, it's usually a very easy adjustment on one or two variables to reset it to my preference.

I think the "tweaking hell" reputation of the Vetta is way overblown.

OK, thanks!!

[danastas]

Seriously. The only time I have had any success with A.I.R. and the cab emulation is when I am recording direct.

FWIW, you really should turn that stuff off when playing out a cab. The cab emulators make it sound like hammered shit and I have tried with some pretty damn high quality cabs (Oversized Mesa Recto's, Genz-Benz 2x12's) Had the same experience with both PODXT Pro and Vetta II HD.

-Nate

I think it's the speakers. The vetta is really tuned to the flat response of the Line 6 Vetta speakers.

V30s work well too, but I've had bad luck with any other speakers.

[danastas]

Yeah I have been running the screamer infront as suggested by others ,aswell as using different cabinets. I've been having the most luck using and combining, bomber uber, powerball ,deity's son ,Missippi Criminal and the hi gain solo 100, and for cabs I tend to go with the Greenback 25's,line 6 4x12 , or Treadplate.

Maybe my problem lies more in the eq, and compression tweaking. What I think sounds good at the time ends up sounding muddy to me when I come back to it. Just seems trickier then the Gt-6 to dial in some hi gain dist. with good sustain that doesnt turn to mud or get really noisy.

I installed the midisport Uno and my computer recognizes it so it seems, (got the latest drivers). but when I open up Line 6 Monkey or Edit it cant find the Vetta II combo. Cords are hooked up right tried multiple usb ports on the computer etc. still no luck.

The new Line 6 forums arent very active and I see lots of people having problems updating to 2.5 . (luckily mine was updated when I received it)

I was just hoping there would be more in depth FAQ or walkthru for the whole midi USB setup. Seemed simple enough but I dunno what I'm missing to get my comp to recognize it.

Did you register the amp on the website/ sometimes that's what's missing.

[jgcable]

The POD 2.0 does have a Presence control (if the amp model you're on has it). You hold the Tap button and turn (I *think*) the Treble control.

Bottom line bro.

The Line 6 Vetta upgraded to software version 2.5 is the best sounding product they make. Its the flagship of the line and it incorporates everything that any other POD or Flextone has before it or after it. Until they come out with a Vetta III, it stands at the top of the heap.

To answer all your questions regarding which sounds better in regards to models, effects, tweakability, tone, volume or whatever I can answer every one of your questions easily with one sentence:

The Vetta does EVERYTHING better than any other line 6 product you have mentioned.

This isn't subjective like most amp tones are. Afterall.. this is a modeling software amp.

[jgcable]

I think it's the speakers. The vetta is really tuned to the flat response of the Line 6 Vetta speakers.

V30s work well too, but I've had bad luck with any other speakers.

Cabinet modeling selection is crucial with the Vetta.
I have had luck with just about any type of high quality 12" speaker. The trick is to use the correct cabinet modeling or when not to use cabinet modeling at all.

I route my clean tones mainly to an open backed cab and my heavy high gain tones are panned harder to my closed back cab.
I always route my 2 different amp models to the speaker cab that they sound the best out of.
Sometimes I use cabinet modeling and sometimes I don't.
I like cab modeling on the clean patches. Many of the high gain patches have the cab modeling off.

[PowerTube]

This isn't subjective like most amp tones are. Afterall.. this is a modeling software amp.

JG, I respect your opinion, but how can anything in music possibly be "not subjective?" It's just like the Flextone III having the exact same model of the Modern Hi-Gain as the Flextone I and II. Same exact, identical software, yet I and several others say it's just not the same. And it isn't. I can also A/B my POD 2.3 against the Floor POD Plus (until it goes back to the store tomorrow) and I can hear a difference. I can make the POD 2.3 and Flextone II sound exactly like my Marshall 2210 (at low volume with the Metal Muff and EQ), except minus the hiss that the EQ adds.

Please understand me here. I really and truly want to love the Vetta. I do. But until I can confirm that this one particular tone is like the original, I'll never be 100% happy with it. The other sounds I heard on the original Vetta the other day were outstanding, but again, if *that* sound isn't in it, then it isn't worth it to me.

So here's the deal....If I can confirm that the Vetta II's Modern Hi-Gain tone is exactly like the original POD and Flextone and not like the Flextone III, then I'll buy a Vetta II halfstack. Seriously. But what sucks balls is that the nearest one I've found to me is in Atlanta, roughly a 3-hour drive from here. Everyone is too chicken to stock them, it seems. They follow the beancounters' rule that 80% of their business is in cheaper stuff.

I guess I could either order one online or through Guitar Center, but then I would have the hassle of returning it if it isn't what I had hoped. And yes, maybe I'm clinically insane, but if the Modern Hi-Gain sounds like a Flextone III, back she goes. I just know what I like.

[PowerTube]

Also, let me add..... you know how I keep raving about how much I love the POD 2.0 and Flextone I and II? Well, the clean sounds in them suck balls, in my humble opinion. That's why I hesitate to get a Flextone II HD head unless I can get it dirt cheap. I would love nothing more than the tone quality and versatility of the Vetta II, BUT the Modern Hi-Gain HAS to match the earlier version.

Does that make sense to everyone (or ANYone?)?

[jgcable]

Also, let me add..... you know how I keep raving about how much I love the POD 2.0 and Flextone I and II? Well, the clean sounds in them suck balls, in my humble opinion. That's why I hesitate to get a Flextone II HD head unless I can get it dirt cheap. I would love nothing more than the tone quality and versatility of the Vetta II, BUT the Modern Hi-Gain HAS to match the earlier version.

Does that make sense to everyone (or ANYone?)?

Go get a Vetta and stop arguing with me!!! :ROTF:

I have had every amp that you mentioned. I am a true blue Line 6 user.
The only rig that sounds as good as a Vetta is the Boss GT-8, a good stereo tube power amp and a stereo cabinet.

The Soldano X88R patch on the Vetta 2.5 is exactly the same one that is in the POD with the added benefit of being able to run 2 of them at the same time through 2 different cabinets , EQ's, effects etc...

If you like the old 2.0 POD and the old Flextone II or the old Flextone II HD then by all means keep them. Its your ears that count.
The only thing I am saying is that the Vetta does EVERYTHING better than the amps you have mentioned. EVERYTHING.

[PowerTube]

Go get a Vetta and stop arguing with me!!! :ROTF:

Thanks! I needed some discipline! :ROTF:

I have had every amp that you mentioned. I am a true blue Line 6 user. The only rig that sounds as good as a Vetta is the Boss GT-8, a good stereo tube power amp and a stereo cabinet.

The Soldano X88R patch on the Vetta 2.5 is exactly the same one that is in the POD with the added benefit of being able to run 2 of them at the same time through 2 different cabinets , EQ's, effects etc...

If you like the old 2.0 POD and the old Flextone II or the old Flextone II HD then by all means keep them. Its your ears that count.
The only thing I am saying is that the Vetta does EVERYTHING better than the amps you have mentioned. EVERYTHING.

I'm seriously leaning toward this. Damn, I hate decisions! Since I already have a 4x12 with Celestions I would probably go with the halfstack version.

We'll see....

I'll keep everyone updated either way.

[jgcable]

Thanks! I needed some discipline! :ROTF:



I'm seriously leaning toward this. Damn, I hate decisions! Since I already have a 4x12 with Celestions I would probably go with the halfstack version.

We'll see....

I'll keep everyone updated either way.

Wire that halfstack of your up in stereo and get a Vetta HD. You can score a Vetta I pretty cheap and its free to upgrade it to Vetta 2 specs which is a must if you want the Soldano X88R model.
Don't forget to get the FBV longboard too. Its a must if you want to fully enjoy all the features the Vetta has live.

[technogumbo]

I think it's the speakers. The vetta is really tuned to the flat response of the Line 6 Vetta speakers.

V30s work well too, but I've had bad luck with any other speakers.

Good point. I have owned many Line 6 modeling amps, and I gotta tell you that their drivers are not always the highest of quality IMHO. I have found a great bargain is to shop Carvin late in the year and they typically have a sale on Celestion Seventy80's or G12T75's. The price goes down from $120 each to $30 each (plus $10 - $15 shipping). Every combo amp I have retrofitted has so much more bass and depth. If you have your settings dialed in, you will be back tweaking the crap out of them afterwards, but that is the joy of a mod right?