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**mrrs** · 08-29-2007, 09:07 AM

Looks very interesting, but it doesn't have enough models or effects IMO.

Not a bad price I suppose, compared to what else is out there.

I still want a Vetta.

**DC_rhoads82** · 08-29-2007, 11:21 AM

seems pretty cool. be very interested to try one of these when they hit shelves.

**Twisteramps** · 08-29-2007, 01:26 PM

Am I the only one who realizes that Line6 just invalidated their entire history of claiming to be "as good as tubes"? Also, notice how they did this with the spiders... NOT the Vetta. If this tanks, I bet you'll never hear them mention using tubes again. If it works, then the Vetta III or whatever the replacement is going to be will have tubes up the wazoo.

Pete

**Flatpicker** · 08-29-2007, 01:28 PM

Basically they took the atomic amp concept and ran with it.

**Racerx2k** · 08-29-2007, 01:36 PM

These sort of things ALWAYS sound awsome when presented by the manufacturing company. They didn't say anything I haven't already heard before in the hype-machine. The true test will be when it's in front of us, and plugged in.

**VoiceX3** · 08-29-2007, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Twisteramps View Post

Am I the only one who realizes that Line6 just invalidated their entire history of claiming to be "as good as tubes"? Also, notice how they did this with the spiders... NOT the Vetta. If this tanks, I bet you'll never hear them mention using tubes again. If it works, then the Vetta III or whatever the replacement is going to be will have tubes up the wazoo.

Pete

I agree and disagree with you Pete. I know, doesn't make sense for me to say that......but look at it this way. There will always be people who swear by tubes and always people who swear by solid state, that's just the way it is. Everyone knows there is a sonic difference between the two and people are on either side of the fence because one does some things better than the other and vice versa. This amp is to be produced for the guys who do like a bit of both but lean more towards the sonic qualities of tubes. Personally, I'm a tube guy.....but for the past couple of months have been playing thru a Spider II 150 watt head, and I gotta tell you, I don't hate it. It does miss that obnoxious piercing mids tone that only a tube amp can give, but other than that it's pretty cool. People who buy amps like the Vetta don't miss that because that's their tonal preference, I didn't go that route because of A.) price and B.) too many bells and whistles. Most tube guys I know feel the same, so the Spider made for the perfect choice to mate with this technology.....kind of a no bullshit straight up approach with just a touch of effects that if you don't use them it's no big deal. At the price, when they hit the stores I'll certainly check em out tho.

**PowerTube** · 08-29-2007, 07:33 PM

It honestly sounds like marketing bullshit to me. I suspect that it'll be like an enduro bike; marketed as a great street bike combined with a great trail bike, yet it sucks at both. This will be marketed as "tubes meet modeling" and I really don't see it sounding any better than the Vetta.

I pretty much agree with Pete. They've stepped out on a limb but they didn't want to harm the Vetta name, so they went with the Spider. My money says that if this is a failure, it'll also be the end of the Spider series because once the name is tarnished, they'll want to replace it with a new entry-level amp and start with a clean slate.

**P I K A** · 08-29-2007, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by PowerTube View Post

It honestly sounds like marketing bullshit to me. I suspect that it'll be like an enduro bike; marketed as a great street bike combined with a great trail bike, yet it sucks at both. This will be marketed as "tubes meet modeling" and I really don't see it sounding any better than the Vetta.

I pretty much agree with Pete. They've stepped out on a limb but they didn't want to harm the Vetta name, so they went with the Spider. My money says that if this is a failure, it'll also be the end of the Spider series because once the name is tarnished, they'll want to replace it with a new entry-level amp and start with a clean slate.

I hope you're wrong cause I'm really looking forward to this amp. Hopefully Bogner is not going to put his name on a piece of shi_. We'll see 'Im wanting the head version.

**~K~** · 08-29-2007, 08:45 PM

I cannot see Bogner putting his name on crap because it does his compan an injustice. If anything Id tend to assme if he had no confidence in the product he would have been involved quietly

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**quiksilver** · 08-29-2007, 08:56 PM

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**VoiceX3** · 08-29-2007, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by Mayday View Post

I cannot see Bogner putting his name on crap because it does his company an injustice. If anything Id tend to assme if he had no confidence in the product he would have been involved quietly

I agree Kev, Bogner's logo isn't exactly small on either the front or rear of the head.....so he obviously puts his stamp of approval on it. With that price, I really hope I like it. Guess we'll all see in December.

**Carbophos** · 08-30-2007, 05:04 AM

so basically it is just pushing VOX idea a bit futher.
VOX has processors and digital amps where modelled tone is coloured by preamp tube. Line 6 are adding tube power section to it. But basically preamp is still digital

**Infernal Death** · 08-30-2007, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by Twisteramps View Post

Am I the only one who realizes that Line6 just invalidated their entire history of claiming to be "as good as tubes"? Also, notice how they did this with the spiders... NOT the Vetta. If this tanks, I bet you'll never hear them mention using tubes again. If it works, then the Vetta III or whatever the replacement is going to be will have tubes up the wazoo.

Pete

+1. I think so too. After all they always claimed that their modeling makes tubes obsolete. Now they prove themselve wrong.

Yes i don't think Bogner will put is name on a piece of crap. However all of you expecting the same quality as his normal all-tube amps will probably be disappointed. I mean Bogner won't cut into their own flesh by supplying line6 with a tube section that's just as good as their big $$$ amps.

To me it's just line6 fishing for the tube guys. Will it sound good ? Probably yes, don't know, haven't heard own yet. Will it make the tube guys switch ? I don't think so.

Flo

**Robotechnology** · 08-30-2007, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by Infernal Death View Post

Yes i don't think Bogner will put is name on a piece of crap. However all of you expecting the same quality as his normal all-tube amps will probably be disappointed. I mean Bogner won't cut into their own flesh by supplying line6 with a tube section that's just as good as their big $$$ amps.

Flo

From what my friends tell me about Mr. Bogner, he might be just crazy enough to...

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