i think the framus might have to go...

[nateb]

get an Uberschall and build a bigger wall!!!

At least try one. Those are badass amps.

-Nate

[shadowcat]

I find that my 4 cable GT-8 setup takes very little time to set up. hell, it's plugging two more cables in (4 jacks) and that's it.

Yes, but at the beginning it it took a moment for me to remember the signal route, like which cable has to go where... of course after a few times it was easy routine. Marking the cable jacks on each cable helped alot, too, so I don't mix them up when plugging in.

[Fragle]

"how about having your other guitar player turn it down a bit...lol"
well...he already did but then again, if the mix of both amps just doesn't sound that well you can't really compensate by adjusting the volumes...

"I find that my 4 cable GT-8 setup takes very little time to set up. hell, it's plugging two more cables in (4 jacks) and that's it. "
the thing is, right now i'm running the amp dry, so the only stuff i got to set up is the footswitch and the TU-2, and frankly i'd like to keep it that way. i recently bought a wireless, and setting that one up already takes too much time if you ask me
however, maybe i should indeed look into building a small rack to go with the 5150 for clean sounds, and search for a custom case that hold both the amp as well as the rack, with everything set up and stuff...you know what i'm saying? any ideas where to get a case like this, or would it indeed be an one of a kind thing, i.e. custom made?
having that said, even the 5150 isn't my be all end all amp...powerful, heavy, cutting, yes, but kinda lacks in the singing lead tone department....imho

"get an Uberschall and build a bigger wall!!!"
$$$
'nuff said although i sure like the idea


btw, i checked out most of the engl clips on the rocksolidamps page, and to be honest i didn't exactly love any of them. the powerball sounds quite similar to what i'm hearing in the reheasal room, and the blackmore sounds the i way i remember it (used to own one)...who would have thought, duh. i actually liked the fireball best, with the savage being second, but still nothing i'd drool all over...
i DID however like the laboga mr. hector clips....any thoughts on that one?

moreover, would you guys agree with what madryan posted above, regarding the JSX being just too quiet overall? it does seem kind of odd to me, as the 5150 is a brutally loud amp, that's why i figured the jsx might be, too...

[GuerillaPete]

If you dig the framus tone, what about "slaving" it into a bigger more powerful. You could run it into a PA power amp 1,000+ watts and drive a wall of speakers.

[Dreamland_Rebel]

what cab is he running and what cab are you running?

[Venomboy]

Have you biased your Cobra? I've heard they come biased cold from the factory and when you properly bias them they sound better.

[Fragle]

we're both using laney 412 cabs...i *think* his is the lx412 loaded with celestion rocket 50's, whereas mine should be the gs412ia with "Celestion 70 Eighty" according to the website....but i'm not sure about his, as it's an older cab IIRC, and i got the info from the laney website going only by the looks of the cab...maybe its specs aren't online anymore.

edit: no, i haven't had it biased.

[Mordor]

or maybe consider save some money and get a Herbert.

[Dreamland_Rebel]

well the cobra does not unlease its full potential unless its running the cobra cab. (or a well constructed 25w greenback cab.)

[xDEATHSTARx]

i used to own 2 cobras, 2 powerballs and 2 5150 and a bunch of other amps.
i also just played a cobra again 2 weeks ago.
i had the pb and cobra at the same time and the cobra ate the pb, the pb didnt seem to cut as well as the cobra and it wasnt as loud as the cobra, the pb isnt the loudest 100w amp in the world. against other 100w amps it wasnt as loud.

try a few things before you give up on the cobra. the tubes are el34 and the stock tubes arent that great.
i always found the stock bias to be in the 22 to 26ma range which is cold, the amps sounds way better at 33ma.

the amp will cut thru much better with the notch switch off.

the cobra is very picky on what cabs you use, im my experiance and other friends in bands we all agree that greenbacks and v30's sound the best.
any other speaker ive tried sounded awful.

to unlock the true cobra tone you should try these settings as a guide for ch2 which isnt as rectoish as ch3.

channel vols should be atleast 2 oclock
the mids also at 2 oclock
the loop at 12 oclock
notch off
pres at 1oclock
treble at 1 oclock
bass at 1 oclock depth at 12 oclock

and if you added a clean boost that amp sounds even better.

im serious when i say the pb isnt as good in a band as the cobra was.
maybe your tubes are going bad, that would account for it not being as loud and sounding weak. the bias and better speakers will really open up this amp to all its potential. the cobra eq is different from most amps, the voicing is thick and not as saturated as the pb also and your cab might not be the best match either.

theres lots of good eq info on hcaf and the bmusic forums too.

[Homeless]

I've only owned cheap gear, but maybe you could try spending some time with the other dude tweaking your sounds until the two are mixed well and you both have something you like. It can really be awesome when the two guitar players team up to achieve a crushing sound.

[madryan]

I've only owned cheap gear, but maybe you could try spending some time with the other dude tweaking your sounds until the two are mixed well and you both have something you like. It can really be awesome when the two guitar players team up to achieve a crushing sound.

That's a great idea.

[horns666]

That's a great idea.

I hear you..but this how he cvame to his conclusion.

Dude, ..Tung Sol preamps..they made a ginormous difference in my Uber. I had the same "honk" complaint as you with those stock JJs . But the Bogner hung with John's CAE/2150 rig..we played loud!

As you know whenever you're with another guitarist..it is battle of the midrange. I had to dial a tone that I didn't care for ..so that it would blend nicley with John's shit.

I think you know the amp, did the tone change since you've owned it? John C of Beyond Fear liked Diezel and Famus while on tour and dumped the PBs he had for awhile..

BTW 2210...that is my favorite Marshall head.

[Fragle]

"channel vols should be atleast 2 oclock
the mids also at 2 oclock
the loop at 12 oclock
notch off
pres at 1oclock
treble at 1 oclock
bass at 1 oclock depth at 12 oclock "

i'm running the channel volumes for the dirty channels cranked, as i mentioned in my original post. as for the settings, well, when i was using the unnotched sound i think i had pretty much everything around 1 o'clock, except for the gain which was higher, 3 o'clock or so (crunch channel obviously). while it did sound pretty good on its own (still a little honky for my taste, just too much low mids going on there, and not enough "snap") all the highs and lows got eat up by the powerball, leaving me with an all midrange sound that, while cutting through, just doesn't sound good.
for last gig, i used the notched sound with everything around noonish i think, once again except for the gain, and i think i had the presence lower, around 10 o'clock IIRC. that sound still had a lot of mids going on strangely, but with the master at 2 o'clock i'd say that a lot of the mids i was hearing actually came from the distorting EL-34 tubes.
what strikes me as odd is your fx loop setting...yes, having the fx loop around noon DOES add volume, but in the manual it explicitely states that you should run the fx level OFF when not using the loop.

"As you know whenever you're with another guitarist..it is battle of the midrange. I had to dial a tone that I didn't care for ..so that it would blend nicley with John's shit."
that's the strange thing right there, his sound isn't even all that midrangey. pretty balanced i'd say...somewhat fizzy and bottom end heavy when playing without the band, but once the drums and bass kick in those unpleasant frequencies are cancelled out, and he just sounds heavy as fuck.
while it's not a sound i'd want to have coming out of MY amp, it sure kicks ass...
i on the other hand am kinda known for having a quite midrangey sound. after all that's why i sold the blackmore and kept the marshall and 5150
what i'm trying to say is that it really strikes me as odd that i'm not heared well over him.

with regards to all the posts concerning the framus tone and how to get it louder, well, to be honest, maybe i'm growing tired of the framus....the tone i'm shooting for is basically my marshall 2210 (gains close to dimed, mids anywhere from 9-11 o'clock, bass and highs balanced...basically as tight and balanced as i can get it to sound without getting into honk/scoop city), but with more balls, and lately i find myself needing more features, too. that's why i originally loved the framus (or bought the 5150...that one sure has a certain 2210 on steroids quality to it, although it needs a boost in front to be as tight as the marshall...plus, no clean channel), it seemed to have that 2210 on steroids sound with a fabolous clean and a dedicated lead channel. however, the low mid focus of the cobra just keeps on irritating me the more i play it...the marshall's mids are voiced much higher. i know i could work around this by placing an EQ in the loop, but honestly i don't want to go there. i despise complex setups...the more stuff you're using the more things can and will go wrong in a live situation.
i dunno....i'm not saying that i'm dead set on getting rid of the framus, but i'm damn sure thinking about it....and either replacing it with a jsx/revolution/TSL100/stiletto (still gotta try that one, descriptions sound promising), OR keeping the money and going the rack route with the 5150 (v-amp in the loop for cleans, lead channel for rhythms, crunch channel for leads, always with a boost in front....the latter two being well-tried and approved).
but maybe that's just the GAS speaking out of me....after all i haven't bought another amp for two years now, and before that i went through amps like other people change their underwear

[xDEATHSTARx]

so sell the framus and get a engl savage 120. its a cool amp and sounds awsome with the pb.