i think the framus might have to go...

[horns666]

I have NOT been impressed with any Engl thus far..not live or recorded. But I've yet to hear any amp more crushing than mine..lucky me!

when or if >I< do discover such an amp..I'll own it.

But Fragle..you've been F'n with amps more than some say they did. Follow your own experience, logic and ears..

You like your Marshall..try beefing that up. There's some low end and crunch enhancements you can do with the 2210..BBE 422, and or EQ in the loop..and slam the front.

[VitaminG]

"OR keeping the money and going the rack route with the 5150 (v-amp in the loop for cleans, lead channel for rhythms, crunch channel for leads, always with a boost in front....the latter two being well-tried and approved).

I thought you wanted to avoid a complex setup

You like your Marshall..try beefing that up. There's some low end and crunch enhancements you can do with the 2210..BBE 422, and or EQ in the loop..and slam the front.

yea, send it to Trace or JerryP (or someone local ) and have it modded. Might save you some $$ in the long run and keep your setup simple

[åron]

I have NOT been impressed with any Engl thus far..not live or recorded. But I've yet to hear any amp more crushing than mine..lucky me!

This Invader clip impressed me enough to recommend it to a friend who is quite happy.

http://rocksolidamps.com/mp3/Invader%20Ch%202%20Double%20track%2057%20V30.mp3

[horns666]

This Invader clip impressed me enough to recommend it to a friend who is quite happy.

http://rocksolidamps.com/mp3/Invader...2057%20V30.mp3

No where near my idea of great tone..or Fragle's for that matter...IMO!!!

Unless we were in some stupid VH tribute band and sipped tea from our ballet slippers..with out pink fingers pointed out.

where's the fuggin' balls..where's the metal??? I got better tones on a Fisher Price press and play????

Seriously, I would have to dial/play that fucker myself..those limp wristed fuckwads were playing like they're scared..fuggums!

[lerxstcat]

I thought you wanted to avoid a complex setup

yea, send it to Trace or JerryP (or someone local ) and have it modded. Might save you some $$ in the long run and keep your setup simple

Emphasis on the "someone local"! The cost of shipping that Framus from Bavaria to New York and back would probably be $800; that'd probably pay for any mods and then some locally, wheras it'd only be the freight going trans-Atlantic.

Of course you Aussies being tucked away at the end of the Earth probably aren't too sympathetic about someone bitching about a little 7,000-mile round trip!

[åron]

where's the fuggin' balls..where's the metal??? I got better tones on a Fisher Price press and play????

Seriously, I would have to dial/play that fucker myself..those limp wristed fuckwads were playing like they're scared..fuggums!

:ROTF::ROTF: Actually it's just one guy double tracked and some midi drums. The amp sounds pretty crushing in person, but hey I hear clips that some others drool over and I don't understand the appeal, either. Of course you gotta dial it in yourself!

[horns666]

:ROTF::ROTF: Actually it's just one guy double tracked and some midi drums. The amp sounds pretty crushing in person, but hey I hear clips that some others drool over and I don't understand the appeal, either. Of course you gotta dial it in yourself!

..yes, I'm certain it would sound MUCH better in person..

I heard recordings of POD Pros destroy the tone on that clip!

[åron]

Actually, it wasn't that one clip in particular. It was the range of tones on all the clips there http://rocksolidamps.com/mp3_player.php?id=&ii=11. YMMV

[horns666]

Sorry broseppi Aron..I checked the samples with my son next to me..we looked at each other and made yucky faces at each other..

It sounds exactly like the PBs I heard live that Ace roadied..just way too compressed, thin and nasalily for my liking. I would have to try one. My friend in Beyond Fear insist I wouldn't care for Engls, he gave up on his pbs well..and I understand from everything I've heard..and this just confirms it. I think I could coax a much better metal tone from it..I assume.

There was only ONE engl that I heard that sounded decent some time ago..and that was their expensive four channel preamp...5740..or some shit.

I'm spoiled man..I have THE tone I've been cultivating my entire musical life and countless hours and amps getting there.

But you gotta go what works for you and inspires you to play your best..that's the bottom line!

[ezbprimerib]

alright, having that said....those are the amps i'm currently interested in:
-krank revolution: don't laugh...i've been hearing countless clips as well as youtube videos, and judging by that i'd love this head...kinda like a scooped version of my 2210 with more balls. also love the 2 master volumes. gotta try one soon...
-mesa single rectifier/rect-o-verb. affordable, for a mesa...i've never owned a rectifier, but still got the urge to do so at one point in my life i wonder if it could hang with the powerball? as for the features, it's perfect. 2 channels, footswitchable volume boost...i'd probably use an OD boost for leads, too.
-marshall tsl....used a dsl100 for about 20 shows back in 2005, but back then i didn't worry about clean or lead sounds. i DID however like the rhyhtm sound, although that's a long time ago really. the other guitar player in my old band is still using the TSL, and i doesn't sound too bad, really. very nice features, too. plus it's fairly cheap and easy to buy/sell over here...i might try this one just for shits and giggles, and see if it keeps up with the powerball.

Why would I laugh at the Krank? I've played the Rev and Krankenstein...both are fantastic metal amps. The 'enstein has a better clean channel IMO, but it has an added "master" volume which is un-neccessary. And best of all: Kranks, like Mesas, record very well!

The Mesa single rect is only 50 watts. Should do what you need but is a little less loud than a dual.

And as for the TSL... I love my TSL100. I've just changed from Dual Rectifiers to a Road King II, but I doubt I'll ever part with my TSL100. The clean channel is very nice, and the lead tones rule. Caveat: it sounds best through a marshall cab with G12T-75's.

[Fragle]

"Why would I laugh at the Krank? I've played the Rev and Krankenstein...both are fantastic metal amps. The 'enstein has a better clean channel IMO, but it has an added "master" volume which is un-neccessary. And best of all: Kranks, like Mesas, record very well!"
well....i said that because it seems to be very popular to bash krank amps

"I thought you wanted to avoid a complex setup "
yeah, i know...kinda contradictory
what i was thinking of is a custom roadcase that houses both the 5150 and the rack stuff (=modeling preamp of some sort, rack tuner, wireless) so every necessary connection stays plugged in all the time....should make setup way easier than it is now. open the roadcase, connect speaker cab, connect it to the mains, put a simple two button footswitch at the front of the stage, and that's it....sounds fucking cool to me doesn't help with the GAS though

"No where near my idea of great tone..or Fragle's for that matter...IMO!!!"
+1

"Emphasis on the "someone local"! The cost of shipping that Framus from Bavaria to New York and back would probably be $800; that'd probably pay for any mods and then some locally, wheras it'd only be the freight going trans-Atlantic."
true

[Endrik]

isn't Germany full of engineers?

let someone mod your Marshall, there's tons of schematics available too (including Jose mod or stuff like that... I think)

you can improve the clean channel, volume levels, gain, tightness etc. add boost function

just a thought

[ezbprimerib]

what i was thinking of is a custom roadcase that houses both the 5150 and the rack stuff (=modeling preamp of some sort, rack tuner, wireless) so every necessary connection stays plugged in all the time....should make setup way easier than it is now

Yes, it will make setup a breeze. Plug in your rack power conditioner, your speaker cable and footswitches and you're off! One caveat: head and rack cases weigh a ton. My road king ii road case with built rack on top, is well over 100 pounds. I'd venture to say its nearing 140 lbs. if it weren't for the wheels and pull out handle, my back would be fudged up.

[zeegler]

Maybe add the Rivera K-Tre to your list.

[madryan]

You said in a prior post that you're running your channel volumes at max for you dirty channel. Not sure how Framus amps work in that respect, but every amp I've ever played sounded much more defined with the channel volumes up no more than half way. Let the Power section do the work. Also, back off the gain and bass if you're playing really loud. It'll seem louder and clearer.