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**Racerx2k** · 12-19-2008, 11:41 AM

Yeah, I never liked any of the tones from software sims, and could never get it to cut through the mix, properly. I'll stay with the tried and true.

**Da' Melta'** · 12-19-2008, 11:59 AM

Anyone still using the Eventide H3000...........besides me? How 'bout it you studio guys? You still using that kind of thing?

I've used the Rocktron Intellifex for live stuff...before losing my head and buying the Harmonizer.

Heard good things about the TC Electronics stuff too.

My two cents.

**Da' Melta'** · 12-19-2008, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by Da' Melta' View Post

Anyone still using the Eventide H3000...........besides me? How 'bout it you studio guys? You still using that kind of thing?

I've used the Rocktron Intellifex for live stuff...before losing my head and buying the Harmonizer.

Heard good things about the TC Electronics stuff too.

My two cents.

Don't mean to steal the thread but I just busted my cherry with that last post. I'm no longer a "Junior" member! WooHoo!

**markD** · 12-19-2008, 12:48 PM

hahahaha, i had an H3000 until last year. never really used it....ever. i bought it when i had a stupid sized rack in the 90's becuase vai used one.

i moved it into the studio around 2001 or so....there it sat until a client came in, saw it, and really wanted it. so i sold it to him. he was thrilled. i was too. i really never used it.

**emperor_black** · 12-19-2008, 02:40 PM

m-audio. that with the pro tools, I've heard does wonders.

**jgcable** · 12-19-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by wilkinsi View Post

I've hated all software FX for guitars that I've tried. Just couldn't get the sound I wanted. I also hate adjusting settings with a mouse/keyboard. Feels very impractical adjusting EQ for example, as opposed to having a control surface that allows you to make changes and save them very quickly. If my multi-track dies, I still have my guitar FX and headphones. If all my stuff were to be on my PC and it died, I lose everything.

Wow, from all the posts hating on software effects I gotta think that most of you do not work or spend much time in a recording studio.
I haven't been in a high end studio in the last 5 years that didn't use 95% software for effects. The Eventide and Lexicon plug ins are incredible. Pro Tools and Sonar along with Amplitube, Steinberg, Audacity, Digidesign, Native. We use Sonar 8 and its absolutely amazing. Like I said.. we have an 8' rack filled with Lexicons, Eventides, a few TRS24S's, an Intellifex, and a bunch of other rack mount effects and they never get used. Its so easy using software plug-ins when you are recording with Sonar.

**Ace** · 12-19-2008, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by jgcable View Post

we record everything dry. For reference we have effects going but they are not recorded. We also re-amp all the guitar signals, we midi trigger all the drums and the bass and keyboards are all midi. The only thing analog is the vocals and we usually do some pitch correcting on that. Regarding backup vocals.. if we get a good take we will usually fly it into the spots it reoccurs. Lots of digital trickery going on in our studio. We even layer our acoustic drums with samples that are triggered. Its nice to be able to line up all the beats so that the timing for the songs is perfect.

"Perfect" isn't.

**Ace** · 12-19-2008, 04:17 PM

And for the record I walk halls lined with gold and platnium albums all day long at my work. Henson(formerly A&M), Sunset Sound, Sound City, Sound Factory, Red Bull, New King Sound, Sunset Lodge, the Complex, 606(Dave Grohl's) the Record Company, plus a million others, I stick my head in the biggest dollar studios in LA all the time, everyone still has racks and racks of outboard gear that they love!! Plug ins are great for bang for your buck and ease of use, but the pros are far from throwing their old stuff out!

**Racerx2k** · 12-19-2008, 06:22 PM

Don't get me wrong, I use VST plugins for effects. I just won't use the software amp sims. Never found one I liked, let alone tolerated. Ironically, thanks to software, I may never have to set foot in someone else's studio, again.

**emperor_black** · 12-19-2008, 06:40 PM

My guess is, with software or hardware, you get what you paid for. I cant expect my Crate v33 to sound as good as a $1000 tube amp. Likewise, you cant expect the toneport's software to sound as good as the studio versions.

**jgcable** · 12-19-2008, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Racerx2k View Post

Don't get me wrong, I use VST plugins for effects. I just won't use the software amp sims. Never found one I liked, let alone tolerated. Ironically, thanks to software, I may never have to set foot in someone else's studio, again.

I agree with you there. We VERY rarely use software amp sims. We use Amplitube just for some of the effects.

**jgcable** · 12-19-2008, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Ace View Post

And for the record I walk halls lined with gold and platnium albums all day long at my work. Henson(formerly A&M), Sunset Sound, Sound City, Sound Factory, Red Bull, New King Sound, Sunset Lodge, the Complex, 606(Dave Grohl's) the Record Company, plus a million others, I stick my head in the biggest dollar studios in LA all the time, everyone still has racks and racks of outboard gear that they love!! Plug ins are great for bang for your buck and ease of use, but the pros are far from throwing their old stuff out!

I don't agree with that at all. The pro's don't use rack effects unless its something that they can't get as a plug in.
You may see that gear in the studio but they aren't using it.
You do have a valid point though when you say that "everyone still has racks and racks of outboard gear that they love".
They do have racks and racks or outboard gear and they do love them.... they just don't use most of it. Why??? Mainly because they "might" need to use one of them one day and most of the time its because dismantling a studio full of rack effects is a pain in the neck. Its easier to just leave it there as a vestage of days long gone by and use plugins instead. This is the same reason that many studio's still have gigantic consoles of which they use only a very small portion of.

**jgcable** · 12-19-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by emperor_black View Post

My guess is, with software or hardware, you get what you paid for. I cant expect my Crate v33 to sound as good as a $1000 tube amp. Likewise, you cant expect the toneport's software to sound as good as the studio versions.

Good point. Inexpensive plug-ins sound like ass.

**jgcable** · 12-19-2008, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by Racerx2k View Post

Don't get me wrong, I use VST plugins for effects. I just won't use the software amp sims. Never found one I liked, let alone tolerated. Ironically, thanks to software, I may never have to set foot in someone else's studio, again.

I actually have mixed feelings on the way we record too. Its impersonal although the result is excellent and extremely consistant.
I would like to get back to the way we used to recorded guitar in the old days. I liked recording my guitar wet with the exact effects that I would use live. Instead... I record it dry with a wet effects monitor and re-amp it and add studio plug in effects at mixing. I also liked recording solo's as complete compositions instead of doing 10 takes of the same solo and taking the best out of each take and putting it all together digitally.

**Shawn Lutz** · 12-19-2008, 07:25 PM

I'm also for software effects added in post / mix. Yep, always record everything dry too

In anything whaterver you use, less is more. I hate the too perfect polished productions

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