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    5 days a week I work in Nashville. I stay in an apartment. I have a POD 2.3 and headphones, but I'm getting fatigued from wearing headphones. The POD sounds great in the headphones, but my feable attempts at using PC speakers failed. I haven't tried PC speakers with a subwoofer yet, but I'd like to get something other than Line 6 to have a wider variety of tones.

    So I need a small practice amp to jam with. I don't want the bottom of the line model. Something middle of the line, like 30 watts, and in the $200-$300 price range.

    I've been looking at amps several days a week for the past month, and right now I confused because there are so many nice options.

    Must be have a wide array of tones, ala modellers, but I don't want to rule out a (Trademark 10?) if it's the best fit.

    I have many tube amps at home (DSL100 1/2 stack, pair of Laney AOR 50s, Blues Jr, Kalamazoo Model 12, Model 1, Gibson GA5), and I'm positive a tube amp is not the proper fit for this situation. For transistor amps at home I have three Marshall Micro Stacks, but they are a one trick pony. I want a variety of tones, from AC/DC to Metallica (old school).

    I've read dozens of threads on this subject, but I'm curious if the old favorites (Roland Cube 30) are still the best choices, since it seems new stuff seems to be arriving every day. I've followed thread from 2004 where a Cube 30 went from John to Pete to ???.

    It would be plus if it works "nicely" with the POD, like an Atomic Reactor (never heard one but I think they are recommended as working good with a POD).

    So far I've check out:

    Vox AD30VT. There is a newer VT30 with twice as many models, but do they sound better? It cost more $. I was pleased with the warm tube distortions this amp can put out. Not sure if the high gain Metal stuff sounds as good as the Cube. Seemed to get a good "Hard Rock" tone that might work well with pedals.

    Roland Cube 30X. What's the difference between this and the old Cube 30? I was really impressed with this amp because of it's "full stack in a box" sound. Not sure if the "Hard Rock" models sound as good as the Vox.

    Spider III. They don't sound half bad, but is this "Line 6 overload" since I already have a POD 2.3?

    Peavy Vyper. Didn't mess with this much yet. Seems to be a newbie on the block, so I don't know if it's gone head-to head against the Cube yet.

    Fender Gdec(?). This was cool having the jam along stuff. A little more pricy. i didn't give it a full bashing yet to find out if I like the tones it can produce. Price might force me to look at a smaller model than I'd prefer.

    So far my bias is for the Cube 30x, which seems to be the crowd favorite, but I just wonder if it is outdated compared to the newer stuff.
    Last edited by DonP; 02-02-2009, 04:14 PM.

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    If you like the POD, then you'll probably like the Spider. It's essentially a POD with a power amp and speaker AFAIK.

    I had a Vox AD50VT and I really liked the tube-like response it gave me, but the high-gain models just couldn't quite get to the sound I enjoy. The models I used the most were "US HiGain" and "UK Modern".

    My friend used to have a Trademark 15 and it sounded very nice for a little 8" speaker and all solid-state. Great for just jamming along at bedroom volumes, but not a whole lot of versatility if you're looking for effects and a bunch of tones.

    I'm probably the only person that doesn't like the Cube, but it just sounded really fake to me.

    In my search, I found that small versatile amps that sound good are few and far between. Good luck!
    Scott

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    • #3
      First off, thanks for the feedback.

      Originally posted by Spivonious View Post
      If you like the POD, then you'll probably like the Spider. It's essentially a POD with a power amp and speaker AFAIK.
      I'm guessing to stay away from this amp because I already have a POD?

      Originally posted by Spivonious View Post
      I had a Vox AD50VT and I really liked the tube-like response it gave me, but the high-gain models just couldn't quite get to the sound I enjoy. The models I used the most were "US HiGain" and "UK Modern".
      I was quite impressed with the AD30VT. They have a used one at a local GC for $170. The AD30VT "XL" is only $10 more and has a 12" speaker, but I didn't like the models as much as the regular AD30VT. I haven't checked out the new VT30 with 22 models yet to make a comment.

      Originally posted by Spivonious View Post
      My friend used to have a Trademark 15 and it sounded very nice for a little 8" speaker and all solid-state. Great for just jamming along at bedroom volumes, but not a whole lot of versatility if you're looking for effects and a bunch of tones.
      I need to try this amp. Still on the list of things to do.

      Originally posted by Spivonious View Post
      I'm probably the only person that doesn't like the Cube, but it just sounded really fake to me.
      I've only played the Cube 30x once this Saturday for about an hour. I guess I need to beat it up some more.

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      • #4
        A used 30wt Line 6 Spider II..prolly get one for about $100.

        It is a FUN amp to play. Especially for high gain amp tones, but it's pretty versatile.
        "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
        Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

        "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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        • #5
          Oh yes Horns, I've seen your many posts about your son's amp.

          The Spider III's do sound pretty good. Not sure what the difference is between the II and the III.

          I'm curious if you've played the Spider II against the Cube or Vox and if so, what are your thoughts.

          Also, if I were to get a non-Line 6 amp, I'm hoping to use my POD 2.3 into the amp and get (hopefully) the same tones the Spider II covers.

          Too bad I don't work up in Cleveland any more.

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          • #6
            I'm a GDEC guy. Once you master all the built in rhythm tracks (which could takes years), you have the infinite MIDI file loading capabilities to mess with.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Axewielder View Post
              I'm a GDEC guy. Once you master all the built in rhythm tracks (which could takes years), you have the infinite MIDI file loading capabilities to mess with.
              What do you think of the guitar tone from the GDEC?

              I really liked the rhythm tracks. I think it would really help with my playing jamming along.

              Seems like Line 6 copied this with one of their amps, but it was $449.

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              • #8
                Lets leave out all Line 6 products since you already have a POD. Here are my suggestions...

                Behringer V-Ampire. Great factory tones for home use. Not alot of tweaking and thats good too because you want to be playing... not tweaking.
                Check out an LX112 or any of the LX models. Used for around $200.00 tops.

                Roland Cube 30. Outstanding in every respect. Perfect amount of everything contained in a nice small practice amp.

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                • #9
                  Low volume, high gain potential, good tones throughout.

                  I'm taking notes.

                  I can't match that price point on the modellers, though.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jgcable View Post
                    Lets leave out all Line 6 products since you already have a POD. Here are my suggestions...

                    Behringer V-Ampire. Great factory tones for home use. Not alot of tweaking and thats good too because you want to be playing... not tweaking.
                    Check out an LX112 or any of the LX models. Used for around $200.00 tops.

                    Roland Cube 30. Outstanding in every respect. Perfect amount of everything contained in a nice small practice amp.
                    Sounds line the Cube has passed the test of time. I think you first got into these about 5 years ago?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cygnus X1 View Post
                      Low volume, high gain potential, good tones throughout.

                      I'm taking notes.

                      I can't match that price point on the modellers, though.
                      Cyg,

                      I build tube amps too, but for this situation they just aren't a good fit. Even my micro 2203 (2203 preamp with a 35W4 rectifier and 50C5 power tube) needs room to breath, and doesn't have that "thump" like the Cube 30 does. I'm thinking of getting bigger iron for the output tranny.

                      I played all of my tube amps this weekend and they all sounded great. I thought I would hawk one in order to pay for whatever I get, but I really don't want to go there.

                      I picked up a used stereo 6V6 chassis that I'm going to experiment on making a Rebel 20 with, only I'm thinking of keeping it stereo, having 6V6's on one side and EL84's on the other. Use the stereo balance knob to dial in how much of each power amp. I'll use my Micro Stack with Vintage 10 speakers left and right.

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                      • #12
                        I used to own the POD and the POD XT. I now own a Spider III 15 watter. I dont think I ever was able to reproduce the Spider's "insane" model's tone THAT loud. I too had hooked up panasonic boom box's speakers to the POD. Oh those noob-days!
                        Don, just get the spider III 15 watter or the 30 watter. You can look around in craigslist too for around $75 or brand new $99 for the 15. And its LOUD! I tried the behringer...not even close. I used to own the roland cube 30 before. Only the rectifier model seemed good, but only if you have active pups can you get enough gain. I felt it was a LOT noisy than the spiders. Also, its a very tight distortion which I personally dont like that much. The spider has that "loose", compressed, crispy, death metal tone that I instantly fell in love with. Lower the volume of the guitar and you can get a good crunch. Also, the other effects like echo, chorus, etc are usuable. Not professional quality, but usable.

                        Its not immediately noticeable...only if you read the manual...the spiders have a "hidden" gain boost and a noise gate. But the amps are very quiet by themselves.
                        Sam

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DonP View Post
                          What do you think of the guitar tone from the GDEC?

                          I really liked the rhythm tracks. I think it would really help with my playing jamming along.
                          There is a British mode that can do a great Marshall tone. It's probably not the best metal amp, but it can do a decent Blackmore or AC/DC hard driving rock sound. Also, there are clean tones and bluesy tones for days. That's where it is really strong. Note that the GDEC-30 really has a much richer tone than the smaller 15W version (and I've spent a lot of time playing both versions).
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                          "Artists should be free to spend their days mastering their craft so that working people can toil away in a more beautiful world."
                          - Ken M

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                          • #14
                            I tried every amp you listed and ended up with a Marshall MG15DFX, which kind of surprised me because I'm not a Marshall guy. To me it sounded the most organic out of all them.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DonP View Post
                              Oh yes Horns, I've seen your many posts about your son's amp.

                              The Spider III's do sound pretty good. Not sure what the difference is between the II and the III.

                              I'm curious if you've played the Spider II against the Cube or Vox and if so, what are your thoughts.

                              Also, if I were to get a non-Line 6 amp, I'm hoping to use my POD 2.3 into the amp and get (hopefully) the same tones the Spider II covers.

                              Too bad I don't work up in Cleveland any more.
                              The II version has presets you scroll thru..I didn't like any of them. The II you dial up yourself. Vinny and I beat on this thing constantly. It's made him quite the player in a very short time.

                              He likes to play clean stuff which sounds very nice. I go for the throat in vein of Nevermore/Arch Enemy and such. It does THAT kinda tone perfectly for practice...and it does a very nice early VH too.
                              "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                              Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                              "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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