Found new Bugera 1960 & 1990 demo vids

[Racerx2k]

Not all their stuff is unreliable. I've bought two things from them: a Hellbabe wah pedal and an MX2004A mixer. Neither has ever failed. I've had the mixer for 10 years, had water rain down on it, dropped, etc., and not one problem. I've used the wah in countless rehearsals and gigs, and have functioned just fine. I don't doubt that alot of their stuff is shit, cause I've seen it. I'm just saying that not everything they make is unreliable.

[VoiceX3]

Tim, I apologize for my wording. You aren't a boutique snob, but do always use that typical line when it comes to Bugera. You can call me ignorant, because so many others don't see me in that light. I know you've had issues with Behrenger, you've made that abundantly clear....but you have no first hand expierence with Bugera amps....do you? Mine had another great weekend of making the paint peel off the walls of yet another club.........

[hippietim]

Behringer sucks. The best way to guage future performance is to look at past performance. Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it a supermodel and putting Bugera on a Behringer doesn't change the fact that it's a Behringer.

As for your experience, so far your amp is in the 60-70% category of Behringer stuff that works. I hope it serves you well.

[VoiceX3]

again.....same parent company, Completely different factory/builders. It's like saying "Saturn sucks, so I'll never buy a Corvette because they're both GM therefore both must suck." There are plenty of other analogies I could use to get to the same point. You don't own one and am sure you haven't had one long enough to make a true objective opinion. Your opinion is based on your pre-existing disdain towards Behrenger. I've done my homework, and the stories of "Bugeras failing out of the box" are extremely exagerrated. There were maybe 3 confirmed failures that were blown up all over the net, and at least one of them was user error. The factory misdesign was a ground wire that was connected with a clip that should have been solderred to the chasis. This design has since been changed and I scourred the net to find any failures since the upgrade. Needless to say I couldn't find even one.

[hippietim]

As a company you should absolutely look at GM when considering a car purchase. It would be foolish not to. In fact, it is particularly relevant right now - to ignore the fact that Saturn is a GM product would be unwise given the company may go tits up and you'll be sitting there with a car that has a questionable future.

To look at Bugera as if it weren't a Behringer would be very naive - and obviously you were cautious as well otherwise you wouldn't have "scourred the net" to find out if flaws were corrected.

Look, obviously you are happy with it. That's great. I'm just considering the percentages here. As a general rule, Chinese made musical instruments (and darn near everything else) are not well made products and have much higher failure rates than comparable items made in the US, Japan, England, Sweden, etc. They make disposable products - we haven't had a fucking toaster last more than a couple years since our USA made toaster died after 20+ years of use.

[Infernal Death]

Ok so why are those amps so cheap ? I mean come on, it's obvious. Bugera/Behringer doesn't sell their stuff so cheap because they want to be so nice to their customers. It's a business as every other too so of course they have to save somewhere (oh and they steal circuits from competitors).

Maybe it's just me but if i wanted to buy an amp and before i have to do "my homework" by looking at internet boards to see if and how many of the amps that i want to buy a piece are failing than i don't even bother.
My main amp, a dual rectifier is running since 17 years and has yet to break down once. I simply don't need to do my homework as i know this thing is built like a tank. Everybody has to decide this themselves but this piece of mind is worth to me the money i have to pay more to get something which is built to high-quality standards.

Like Tim said, it's cool that you found an amp which makes you happy and delivers what you are searching. Personally i don't let any Behringer gear near my guitar setup.
Besides i think Behringer should be supported in any way as they steal designs from other companies.

[FlyingSkull]

Maybe it's just me but if i wanted to buy an amp and before i have to do "my homework" by looking at internet boards to see if and how many of the amps that i want to buy a piece are failing than i don't even bother.

Caveat emptor is still exercised by many. Many on this board in fact. Personally I want to ensure my purchases are as well informed as possible, and the Internet provides this information, in varying degrees of quality.

[VoiceX3]

Tim, although we seem to butt heads a lot, i do respect you and your opinion. That's what bothers me about it. Most of it is based on personal bias against the parent company and internet babblings, not actual expierence with the product. But it is your opinion which you are absolutely entitled to.

Ok so why are those amps so cheap ? I mean come on, it's obvious. Bugera/Behringer doesn't sell their stuff so cheap because they want to be so nice to their customers. It's a business as every other too so of course they have to save somewhere (oh and they steal circuits from competitors).

Maybe it's just me but if i wanted to buy an amp and before i have to do "my homework" by looking at internet boards to see if and how many of the amps that i want to buy a piece are failing than i don't even bother.
My main amp, a dual rectifier is running since 17 years and has yet to break down once. I simply don't need to do my homework as i know this thing is built like a tank. Everybody has to decide this themselves but this piece of mind is worth to me the money i have to pay more to get something which is built to high-quality standards.

Like Tim said, it's cool that you found an amp which makes you happy and delivers what you are searching. Personally i don't let any Behringer gear near my guitar setup.
Besides i think Behringer should be supported in any way as they steal designs from other companies.

This tho, is purely speculation. I have done much homework and I've already coverred this, but I will re-visit. The cost savings Bugera achived was done in these areas. Dress up pieces were done in plastic instead of machined metal. Pots, Knobs and Input jacks are plastic, and the construction/wiring methods used are much less time consuming/cost effective. The internal components used on the boards are not substandard parts as you inferred. Why would someone care enough to use real ceramic tube sockets in a plain ole piece of crap as you've made these out to be. No Bugera isn't selling their stuff cheap to be a warm and fuzzy company, but it's about time somebody did it at a reasonable price point because other companies charge ENTIRELY too much for their amps...specifically Peavey and Marshall. Yes, with the Bugera some parts could be broken off if care isn't taken when travelling from gig to gig, but let's be honest. If you're gonna treat your amp like a monkey fucking a football when you move it.....then you're playing with fire and deserve whatever happens.

By the way, Peavey stole circuits from Soldano who stole them from Marshall and so on and so on. Companies have been doing that forever and it will never change.

[Cygnus X1]

No need to quote again, as the thread is contiguous.
Flo is backing up what I have suggested.
As all others have said...if it sounds good, and holds up, great.

BUT.
It bugs those that either build, or buy higher priced equipment.
Peavey has been tough as nails-for the most part-in my experience. Same with most (not all) Marshall and Fender products. It is when the top brands take a nose dive right into the budget market that really bugs the faithful buyers of the product name.
Marshall MG=Sucks. Fender HRDX etc=Sucks. Same problems...
cheaply built surface mounted components on thin circuit boards.
The jacks work loose. The tube sockets have issues. The bias circuits are not sufficiently isolated. Many problems.

So Berhinger=Bugera suddenly comes out of China with similar concepts. Is anyone supposed to be happy about it?
Sure...great tone. But for how long?
I build my amps with much more real estate than needed. Much heavier wire. Overrated transformers. Where a 2 watt resistor is called for...I go for a 5 watt. Etc. It ends up costing a lot in material.

But I like the idea of "bullet proof".

[gregthatshreds]

behrenger is definately crap (as I've seen first hand too many times except for one power amp i still use) but as far as Bugera, I'd say give them their shot, I had a cavalier that was dead at 60,000 miles my saturn has almost 200,000 miles and is still going strong.

[_koppen]

I got a 6260, have had it for a year, and it have never failed me!!
I even think i will pick up one of the new 1960's!

Besides, all chinesee amps are probably built at the same enormus plant.