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    I believe it is a 1991. Its a Mesa Boogie Mark III Simulclass head. Green stripe with factory reverb and EQ. Simulclass means it runs both a pair of EL34's and a pair of 6L6's at the same time. The Green stripe runs in pentode.. not triode like other Mark III's. I am running it through 2 cabinets.
    1 is a Marshall 1960B with Celestions T75's
    1 is a Randall 2 x 12 open back slant with Altec Lansing 300w White Frames. The guitar I am using is a 1989 Ibanez RG550 with an Evolution in the bridge, HS3 in the middle and a PAF Pro in the neck.
    For effects I am using a delay, chorus and volume pedal in the loop and a wah and tuner out in front.
    I am in what you would call a fairly progressive melodic metal band. Think Dream Theater meets Kansas meets Bon Jovi!!
    Ok.. here it goes....

    I used the Metal 1 base line settings that come in the owners manual. It took me a total of 2 minutes to dial it in.
    Channel 1 (Rhythm 1) is a full bodied clean channel. Tons of body, incredible liquid clean tone that reacts extremely well to your pick attack and guitar volume. Its pretty much the same clean that you would find in most any other high wattage Mesa Boogie. The reverb is absolutely stunning. The best reverb I have ever heard in an amp. I would buy this amp for the clean channel alone. Its every bit as good as the Carvin Legacy that I previously owned and I would say its almost as good as that killer JCM900 50w head that Zeegler now owns.
    Channel 2 (Rhythm 2) is basically a Marshall JCM800. Good solid crunch, very tight, lots of harmonics. You can hear every string. To be totally honest.. its not a channel that I would use. Too much gain for clean.. not enough gain for the music I play. I can see it being very useful for a top 40 band or blues or punk... just not metal.
    Channel 3 (Lead) has so many attributes I will just start naming them.
    Its tight.. VERY tight.., amazing harmonics, you can get any note to feedback anytime you want. It puts all the control at your fingers and your guitars controls. It has mucho gain and the best part is that it doesn't fizz or muddy up if you dial a ton of it in. The amp stays focused and right on track. It cuts through a mix like nobodys business. The thing to watch for is stepping all over the other guitar player (if you have a 2 guitar band). This amp stomps and shits all over just about any amp I have ever heard. Many reviews have stated that this amp is grainy and really IN YOUR FACE. Well.. absolutely correct in both cases. This is an aggressive guitar tone. The nice thing is that its also very smooth and very easy to play. Its actually quite forgiving. You can dial the grainyness out with the 750mhz slider on the EQ and the presence control.
    You aren't going to get a Rectifier tone out of it because it doesn't sizzle that much. Rectifiers have a white noise type sizzle thats compressed in the middle. What you will get is a Master of Puppets tone in spades. IMHO.. the Green Stripe must be voiced fairly similar to the Mark IIc+
    The bottom end on this amp is tight. The midrange will rip your face off and the amount of high end you can dial in is just staggering.
    Now... onto some of the features...
    The EQ is not necessary for most genre's of music but for metal I think its a must. This is because the manual recommends that the bass knob be set anywhere from 0-3. Its amazing how much bottom end this amp has. They tell you to then dial in the bass on the EQ. It works perfectly. It is also programmable to either be on all the time, off or it will turn on when only the lead channel is activated. Cool.
    Just set the EQ on the typical V pattern and you are all set to go. Just mess with the middle slider (750mhz) to flavor to your taste.
    The effects loop is very user friendly. The amp has a fan and even a holder for a spare preamp tube. Another nice feature is the AC accessory outlet on the back.
    Now.. onto the switching system. Its quirky but let me tell you how it works in simple terms.
    Plug a standard 1 button footswitch in the front jack and you can switch from clean to lead just like a basic 2 channel amp.
    There are 2 other jacks on the back,
    Jack 1 (1 button footswitch) will switch from Rhythm 1 to Rhythm 2
    Jack 2 (2 button footswitch) will switch the reverb on and off and also the EQ in and out.
    This amp also has a 1/2 power switch and you can switch the simulclass on and off.

    So.. to sum it up.
    The Mark III gets a bad rap for being hard to dial in. Its simple... PROVIDING you aren't looking for 3 different channels to use live.
    Its simply too difficult to have your cake and eat it too regarding 3 channels.
    If you think of the Mark III as a 2 channel amp with lots of features you can't possibly be dissapointed.
    The clean is great, the crunch is great and the lead channel is the equivalent of punching people in the face with your guitar.
    My bandmates don't care too much for the way it sounds alone but they love it when the band is playing. It really cuts and it seems to fill in all the gaps in midrange frequency that we were missing.
    Like I said earlier.. it took me 2 minutes to dial it in by just following the sample settings in the manual. I tweaked it a little while we were playing but I gotta say I basically plugged in and jammed.
    If you were looking for a monster of an amp that could actually be tamed this is a good choice. If you play multiple genre's of music including the heaviest of metal.. this is a good choice.
    Let me say one more thing. I have had a ton of amps... including just about every modeling amp on the planet. I was really good at dialing in a modeling amp to mimic just about any amp. IMHO.. it would extremely difficult to dial in a modeler to sound like this Mark III. Its just too complex of a tone and way too organic sounding while remaining extremely tight and focused. With a modeler you can usually get one of the other but not both.
    The only amp I have ever owned that was tighter and more focused than this amp is the Soldano SLO100.

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    Great review John... and another happy Mesa Customer!!!

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    • #3
      Pretty much exactly what I think of my Red stripe.
      I have KT-77's in the "A" slots and it added a little beef, you may want to try that if you are using El34's.

      Plus mine has the R2 mod so I can balance all 3 channels a little better. It helps to really make this more of a usable 3 channel amp than a 2, but I
      know what you mean, I very rarely use the R2 channel, unless I can really
      crank up the amp, then R2 actually sounds pretty good as a lower gain
      "crunch" type of channel. The R2 mos issupoosedly very easy to do to.

      The lead channels on these amps are just f'n killer.
      Nice review and as far as I'm concerned spot on in every aspect.
      Cool, I'm glad you're liking it, I love these amps
      Probably the best lead players amp I've ever owned
      If this is our perdition, will you walk with me?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by kmanick View Post
        Pretty much exactly what I think of my Red stripe.
        I have KT-77's in the "A" slots and it added a little beef, you may want to try that if you are using El34's.

        Plus mine has the R2 mod so I can balance all 3 channels a little better. It helps to really make this more of a usable 3 channel amp than a 2, but I
        know what you mean, I very rarely use the R2 channel, unless I can really
        crank up the amp, then R2 actually sounds pretty good as a lower gain
        "crunch" type of channel. The R2 mos issupoosedly very easy to do to.

        The lead channels on these amps are just f'n killer.
        Nice review and as far as I'm concerned spot on in every aspect.
        Cool, I'm glad you're liking it, I love these amps
        Probably the best lead players amp I've ever owned

        Thanks... yea... its a lead players dream.

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        • #5
          What a great review! MOP is my fave metallica cd and I love that tone. You got me beginning to GAS for one, BUT I got a particular SLO I'm happy with.
          "Your work is ingenius…it’s quality work….and there are simply too many notes…that’s all, just cut a few, and it’ll be perfect."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MetalMedal II View Post
            What a great review! MOP is my fave metallica cd and I love that tone. You got me beginning to GAS for one, BUT I got a particular SLO I'm happy with.
            I hear you. The only amp that I liked better than this one (and the band agrees) is the SLO. The only thing I didn't like about the SLO was the loop. It sucked. In hindsite.. I should have kept it and had the loop modified.

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            • #7
              yeah, yeah...greatest amp since sliced bread... ad in classified section within 3-4 months ....lol
              shawnlutz.com

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Shawn Lutz View Post
                yeah, yeah...greatest amp since sliced bread... ad in classified section within 3-4 months ....lol
                lol.

                Great review!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Shawn Lutz View Post
                  yeah, yeah...greatest amp since sliced bread... ad in classified section within 3-4 months ....lol
                  I didn't wanna say it, but, yeah... hahahaha...

                  Ehh, that's how it goes with us tone junkies... Always seeking the next fix.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MetalMedal II View Post
                    What a great review! MOP is my fave metallica cd and I love that tone. You got me beginning to GAS for one, BUT I got a particular SLO I'm happy with.
                    MOP had a Mark IIC+ not a III(the III was on Justice), but having played both amps the III is very close to the IIC+ tone wise just not as smooth or clear with high gain.

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                    • #11
                      I had a mint Mrk III half stack with hald open back cab/w top panel you can take on/off. It was a really nice amp. I liked it better than the first series Recto at that time. But I like the tall Recto cabs better..not a fan of open, half open cabs. The reverb was the best on any head I owned beseides the accutronics in the Ampeg Lee Jackson..it was comparable. Anytime I think of a Mesa Mrk II I instantly think Gary Moore's classic COP sound..it really nailed that IMO.

                      Thee day I would dial it differently, and know that it can do the job. Nick recorded various clips using a Recto, JSX, and a MrkIII and believe he dumped the Recto for the MRK III. His covers sound very nice and close to the kinda tone I go for..which is in the Nevermore ballpark.

                      Lamb of God always used Mrk IV.."Brutal" tone is also in the context that it is used. Many modern heavy bands are using 80's/90's gear and getting great tones.
                      "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                      Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                      "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Shawn Lutz View Post
                        yeah, yeah...greatest amp since sliced bread... ad in classified section within 3-4 months ....lol

                        That long huh??
                        I must be getting old.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cleveland Metal View Post
                          I didn't wanna say it, but, yeah... hahahaha...

                          Ehh, that's how it goes with us tone junkies... Always seeking the next fix.

                          You did want to say it. You just didn't want to be the first.

                          I am a tone junky. Guilty as charged.
                          The nice thing about it though is that I learned so much from having so many different amps. I can dial in just about anything and unless an amp totally sucks.. I can usually make it sound pretty darn good.
                          I am starting to think that is less about the amp and more about my playing style. My bandmates do agree that I usually have very good guitar tone.
                          The amps they didn't like at all were:
                          Mesa Boogie Stiletto
                          Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Tremoverb
                          Marshall DSL100
                          Marshall TSL60
                          Peavey 5150 Block letter

                          Their favorites were (in order starting with the best)
                          Soldano SLO100
                          Carvin Legacy
                          Marshall JCM900 50w
                          Mesa Boogie Mark III Green stripe (the amp I have now)
                          Soldano SP77 rack system
                          Vetta II

                          My favorites (being mainly a soloist) are
                          Soldano SLO100
                          Vetta II
                          Mesa Boogie Mark III Green Stripe
                          Carvin Legacy (its a fantastic all around amp)

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                          • #14
                            I had a blue stripe that was in MINT condition, from 1989 or so..bought it new. I just could NOT for the life of me get it to work the way I needed and got very fustrated with it so I sold it. I REALLY wanted to hold on to it but and I keep almost all of my gear, even some crappy stuff so I must have really hated this amp to let it go. I'll probably end up hating myself for doing so but it's too late now.

                            joe...
                            www.godwentpunk.com
                            www.myspace.com/godwentpunk

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                            • #15
                              If you like the Mark III you will really like the mark IV.
                              CURRENT GEAR SET UP
                              2005 JACKSON SOLOIST
                              1989 JACKSON KING V
                              1984 JACKSON RR
                              AXE FX II
                              MESA BOOGIE 2:90
                              DMC GROUND CONTROL PRO
                              FURMAN POWER CONDITIONER
                              (2) MESA BOOGIE 4X12 RECTO CABINETS
                              (2) MESA BOOGIE 2X12 RECTO CABINETS

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