ISP differance

[sl2lover]

The ISP takes tone down like a vaccum, the BOSS doesn't do that for me.

Not the prorack G.....its completely transparent!!

[roodyrocker]

The older Hush The Pedal works great. These are no longer in production but usually you can score one on E-Bay for $75ish. Its all metal construction and has two channels with separate threshold knobs for each. When I was using this pedal I set one threshold higher than the other. That way I could switch the channels and not kill my tone when going from a more distorted tone to a somewhat lesser distortion. When playing clean I shut it off all together. I like these Hush pedals so much that I picked up a spare just in case

[srommes]

Not the prorack G.....its completely transparent!!

And the Decimator is worlds more transparent than that tone sucker NS2.

[Hellbat]

My only issue with the Decimator Pedal that I have (not the g string version) is it doesn't seem to reduce 60Hz hum for me. It cuts it off while i'm not playing, but as soon as you start playing or are playing softly you can hear the hum in the background. I'm tempted to throw in one of the Electro-Harmonix hum reduction pedals in front of it.

Does the rack unit do a better job with that?

[hippietim]

Why do you need a noise gate to begin with? A Quickrod is not a noisy amp.

I've had a Pro Rack G and the pedal (as well as a few different Hush gizmos). They're fine but I think all noise gate's still suck. You are way better off just getting good gear than wasting money on noise gates.

Even a Bogner Ubershall with the gain dimed is clean enough to not worry about it.

The only reason I can understand to get a gate is as an effect to choke the sound quickly for heavy hits. In that case just get any of the pedal gates - they'll all do that fine.

[toxikdeth]

Why do you need a noise gate to begin with? A Quickrod is not a noisy amp.

I've had a Pro Rack G and the pedal (as well as a few different Hush gizmos). They're fine but I think all noise gate's still suck. You are way better off just getting good gear than wasting money on noise gates.

Even a Bogner Ubershall with the gain dimed is clean enough to not worry about it.

The only reason I can understand to get a gate is as an effect to choke the sound quickly for heavy hits. In that case just get any of the pedal gates - they'll all do that fine.

Well I guess becuase when playing live I've always used a boss noise reducer with a carvin v3 I noticed the tone suck but I always felt it was necisary for when I play and have sudden stops in songs

[roodyrocker]

Even a Bogner Ubershall with the gain dimed is clean enough to not worry about it.

I can attest to this. I don't run my Hush pedal with my Bogner Uber live and its fairly quiet. I ended up using the Hush pedal on a couple different setups depending on how the pedals were routed. I had some in the loop and some through the front of the amps. As far as any hum, I ran into that when running two amps through an A/B/Y box. I was using an SWR California Blonde for acoustic piezo sounds in conjunction with my electric guitar amps. Solved that problem by dumping the Morley AB box and going with a Radial Engineering Switchbone A/B/Y box. The Switchbone has a polarity and a ground lift switch. Depending on where we were playing I'd flip those switches the right way and everything was quiet

[toxikdeth]

I can attest to this. I don't run my Hush pedal with my Bogner Uber live and its fairly quiet. I ended up using the Hush pedal on a couple different setups depending on how the pedals were routed. I had some in the loop and some through the front of the amps. As far as any hum, I ran into that when running two amps through an A/B/Y box. I was using an SWR California Blonde for acoustic piezo sounds in conjunction with my electric guitar amps. Solved that problem by dumping the Morley AB box and going with a Radial Engineering Switchbone A/B/Y box. The Switchbone has a polarity and a ground lift switch. Depending on where we were playing I'd flip those switches the right way and everything was quiet

But does it squal like crazy when you abrubtly stop playing

[T@rgetDrone]

I opted for the pedal version. Money was not quite as tight when I purchased it. So it wasn't a cost cutting issue. Even still, I bought mine used. I tend to be in the consensus w/some others that something else in the chain is going to have an affect. Sometimes in a good way. Other times not so good. I will never believe the overused marketing line "it doesn't affect your tone at all." Everything affects everything to some degree. I will and do believe that some things affect tone less, sometimes to the point that it is hard or nearly impossible to tell w/my ears.

The pedal works fine for me. It beats the snot out of the NS-2. But it is not perfect. It does what it's designed to do and does it well - better than its current competition. In my opinion, much better. I can only assume that their upline works as well or better than their basic pedal I own, which again, I bought used.

[roodyrocker]

But does it squal like crazy when you abrubtly stop playing

Nope. Of course this also depends on how close you are standing to the amp and if you face toward or away from it. Under live gigging situations, facing the audience and a good bit of volume the amp does have a bit of baseline noise like a bit of a ssshssh sound. All high gain tube amps have some baseline noise, there is no way it is going to be as quiet as the clean channel but this isn't something that requires a noise gate. My Marshall Rhoads amp is a non-master volume amp. It has to be played loud even at home. That Marshall is noisier than the Uber even though it has less gain. It also feedsback very quickly, to the point that you quickly learn to ride the volume knob on your guitar. if you stop playing you must roll the volume off. After gigging for years with various tube amps and rack setups you start to figure out they're not all the same and you also quickly learn what it takes to quiet them down. Its a night and day difference playing at low volume at home vs. cranked live. I'm even going to try gigging that Marshall Rhoads head live in conjunction with a THD Hot Plate next

[toxikdeth]

Nope. Of course this also depends on how close you are standing to the amp and if you face toward or away from it. Under live gigging situations, facing the audience and a good bit of volume the amp does have a bit of baseline noise like a bit of a ssshssh sound. All high gain tube amps have some baseline noise, there is no way it is going to be as quiet as the clean channel but this isn't something that requires a noise gate. My Marshall Rhoads amp is a non-master volume amp. It has to be played loud even at home. That Marshall is noisier than the Uber even though it has less gain. It also feedsback very quickly, to the point that you quickly learn to ride the volume knob on your guitar. if you stop playing you must roll the volume off. After gigging for years with various tube amps and rack setups you start to figure out they're not all the same and you also quickly learn what it takes to quiet them down. Its a night and day difference playing at low volume at home vs. cranked live. I'm even going to try gigging that Marshall Rhoads head live in conjunction with a THD Hot Plate next

Well you just saved me 400 dollars. So the rhoade Marshall is that loud that you need an attenuater for gigging that's crazy the only tube amp I've ever owned was a carvin v3 that sounded good at all volumes and am currently borrowing my buds vht clx wich also sounds good at all volumes and is super quiet

[EvileMatt]

cant give a comparison with the rack but i've used the decimator pedal for a while now and it's brilliant, i've noticed no tonal differences with using it, one knob simple operation, no squealing or feedback, sturdy as. it does it's job.

good stuff if you can't afford the rack!

[toxikdeth]

cant give a comparison with the rack but i've used the decimator pedal for a while now and it's brilliant, i've noticed no tonal differences with using it, one knob simple operation, no squealing or feedback, sturdy as. it does it's job.

good stuff if you can't afford the rack!

Hmm you have me interested again considering you are
a professional in one of the few modern day thrash bands I enjoy . I see from your signature you have a double rhoads on the way how far into build are you?

[roodyrocker]

So the rhoade Marshall is that loud that you need an attenuater for gigging that's crazy the only tube amp I've ever owned was a carvin v3 that sounded good at all volumes and am currently borrowing my buds vht clx wich also sounds good at all volumes and is super quiet

Oh yeah, that Marshall is one loud amp! I saw Paul Gilbert with Racer X at NAMM back in January. Gilbert was using the Marshall Rhoads stack in a bigger hall than my local band plays and even he was running a Hot Plate to attenuate it. The other thing is that the Marshall JMP's, which is what the Rhoads amp is, cut through mixes really good! Some people crank up the gain on their amps live thinking that will be heard better. In reality their sound just gets lost in the mix and gets worse with more gain. A "cleaner" distortion will cut through better.

[toxikdeth]

Oh yeah, that Marshall is one loud amp! I saw Paul Gilbert with Racer X at NAMM back in January. Gilbert was using the Marshall Rhoads stack in a bigger hall than my local band plays and even he was running a Hot Plate to attenuate it. The other thing is that the Marshall JMP's, which is what the Rhoads amp is, cut through mixes really good! Some people crank up the gain on their amps live thinking that will be heard better. In reality their sound just gets lost in the mix and gets worse with more gain. A "cleaner" distortion will cut through better.

I'd love to crank one but since they're limited edition I wouldn't be able to try before buying and even if I could I wouldn't be able to turn it up loud enough