Reb beach bagging on hammet

[Endrik]

Man I love this shit. Blabbermouth is the National Enquirer of metal. We are tr00 metalheads but we still love gossip and anonymously stirring up shit...
What a bunch of weenies over there. I fucking love the comments about how much more Metallica has sold albums and how Kirk is more popular. They are the same fuckfaces who constantly bring out the good old "Britney has sold millions, that doesn't make her good" comments when defending their favorite underground bands.
I find all Metallica albums listenable, some more than others, but let's be honest, some of the Reb's riffs on the "Pull" album are more metal than Load and Reload combined.
Metallica is cool in my book for doing what they want to do musically but they did suck their record label's balls with the whole napster thing and that is fucking gay.
Crybabies at blabbermouth must be just plain retarded if they even think Kirk has anything on Reb. Funny that all those little bitches over there constantly boast how technically proficient their favorite bands are but suddenly fail to see talent in Winger? Metallica is a great band but they have one of the most inconsistent big name drummers in the world while Winger has one of the best drummers in the world.

[dirtyroadie]

And then everyone yells "Metallica sold out! Metallica sold out!" Fuck all that - the only thing Metallica did when they released the black album was make heavy fucking music more popular than the current pop-rock/metal. If anything, they helped clear the way for heavier bands in the grunge set to take over for the next 5 years.

Metallica did sell out. This is a band that claimed they would never take limos, fly in private jets, do videos, etc..

The Black album may have cleared the way for other bands, but it was a calculated move to simplify their songwriting formula in an effort to achieve more mainstream appeal and success, which they did...

I'm not denying their success since changing their style and selling out; that's as pointless as denying the fact that they sold out in the first place.

[lerxstcat]

compared to Reb Beach, he does suck. Kirk is a lousy soloist but if he writes the songs for Metallica, he is a great song writer. Anybody that can pen MOP, is a great songwriter.

James wrote that stuff, Kirk gets credit for being a good yes-man and doing what he is told. There is a thread about this on Metal sludge and I have seen videos of James and Rob Trujillo both schooling Kirk on guitar.

I think Kirk had potential up through MOP but losing Cliff Burton killed the soul and the spark of that band and everyone in it.

And Kirk was supposed to be in the bunk Cliff was in; Cliff asked to trade. Eerie..

[lerxstcat]

Man I love this shit. Blabbermouth is the National Enquirer of metal. We are tr00 metalheads but we still love gossip and anonymously stirring up shit...
What a bunch of weenies over there. I fucking love the comments about how much more Metallica has sold albums and how Kirk is more popular. They are the same fuckfaces who constantly bring out the good old "Britney has sold millions, that doesn't make her good" comments when defending their favorite underground bands.
I find all Metallica albums listenable, some more than others, but let's be honest, some of the Reb's riffs on the "Pull" album are more metal than Load and Reload combined.
Metallica is cool in my book for doing what they want to do musically but they did suck their record label's balls with the whole napster thing and that is fucking gay.
Crybabies at blabbermouth must be just plain retarded if they even think Kirk has anything on Reb. Funny that all those little bitches over there constantly boast how technically proficient their favorite bands are but suddenly fail to see talent in Winger? Metallica is a great band but they have one of the most inconsistent big name drummers in the world while Winger has one of the best drummers in the world.

FTW!!!

[lerxstcat]

I'm not defending Metallica, I just dislike Winger's music more. He should know what vibrato is, it's a basic guitar technique. If you've been doing guitar instruction vids, I'm sure you would have to know what vibrato is unless you're cheating your viewers.

And just because he stayed with the same (once) trendy music, doesn't mean he's a got more artistic credit to his name. In that case, Korn would be a great band- they never left nu metal.

The whole reason they're even saying this stuff is because Metallica dumped on them in that video, and then Beavis and Butthead made Metallica look cooler than them. Not to mention it gives them publicity-there weren't any active threads about Reb Beach just yesterday, but now that he's made that comment, there's a thread. So how many looks is his band's new album gonna get now? More than if he hadn't made this comment. IMO, this was a publicity stunt by them, to get their name back in the game. Makes me appreciate bands like Overkill that revive themselves with real artistry.

So he slipped up on the word, maybe he had a few beers in him. Reb does like his Coors Light. But think about what you're saying when you say "Beavis and Butthead made Metallica look cooler than them". You're saying that two inbred cartoon retards are your go-to guys for musical cred!

If you actually listened to any of Winger's music besides "17" and "headed for a Heartbreak" you'd find good singing, good playing, awesome and often heavy riffs and killer soloing. The fact that so many people never gave them a chance because of two cartoon retards speaks more about those who listen to cartoon retards than it does Winger's musicianship.

[Grandturk]

The fact that so many people never gave them a chance because of two cartoon retards speaks more about those who listen to cartoon retards than it does Winger's musicianship.

Winger was dead before B&B came out is what I'm saying. I lumped them in the same group as Slaughter, Tuff, E Nuff Z Nuff, Trixter, the Nelsons - saccharine pop-rock/metal. I don't care how talented the players are, its the end results that count.

[lerxstcat]

Man, Winger was never cool. Metallica and Beavis & Butthead didn't make ragging on Winger cool. Winger was lame before Beavis & Butthead even started - that's why the lame kid on the show had a Winger t-shirt.

And thrash guys have always hated the pop-rock/metal guys - going back all the way to LA in 1983. To these guys, it was them against the VH's, Ratts, Poisons, Motley Crues and yes, Wingers of the world.

And then everyone yells "Metallica sold out! Metallica sold out!" Fuck all that - the only thing Metallica did when they released the black album was make heavy fucking music more popular than the current pop-rock/metal. If anything, they helped clear the way for heavier bands in the grunge set to take over for the next 5 years.

Metallica clearing the way for grunge? I don't think so.

As for Winger, they were pretty cool when they came out. "Madalaine" is still an awesome song. Yeah, they were another pretty boy band, but the thrashers hated them because they liked to dismiss the pretty boy bands as not being able to play, and they couldn't do that with Winger. And the other pretty-boy bands hated Winger because THEY couldn't play and got by on their looks, wheras winger had the looks AND the chops.

All I know is that when I saw Winger and Kings X at the Santa Monica Civic Center, both bands kicked ass and there were tons of hot babes in the crowd instead of a sausagefest. Sorry, I'd rather rub up against hot babes in an audience instead of zit-faced teenaged boys, but that's just me.

[lerxstcat]

Winger was dead before B&B came out is what I'm saying. I lumped them in the same group as Slaughter, Tuff, E Nuff Z Nuff, Trixter, the Nelsons - saccharine pop-rock/metal. I don't care how talented the players are, its the end results that count.

Sure, and if thrash is all you like, that's fine. Most people have a wider taste, and I actually like some of Slaughter and Enuff Z'Nuff's music too. If you are a thrasher and don't like chicks, whatever, but I kind of like to go to concerts where there is good playing and more than 5% chicks in the crowd.

[Larz]

All I know is that Kip Winger wrote the book on gratuitous rock star poses in MTv videos. I think he teaches a class in it and at GIT.

Beavis and Butthead reruns are probably the only thing that keeps them relevant besides Sirius' Hair Nation. They should be grateful.

Metallica didn't sell out, perhaps more people just recognized the talent of the unstoppable force that was about to freightrain them after all the years they ignored Metallica and listened to the Bangles. Through the Never and Of Wolf and Man from the black album are on par with the heaviest songs they've ever written although they had some slicker production.

Reb is jealous cause he plays state fairs and Kirk is still world touring in european countries I could never hope to find on a map.

[Grandturk]

Metallica clearing the way for grunge? I don't think so.

Absolutely. It got heavy into the top 40. After that, it was easier for Nirvana, Soundgarden, STP, Rage etc to be regarded in the pop charts.

[Grandturk]

Yeah, they were another pretty boy band, but the thrashers hated them because they liked to dismiss the pretty boy bands as not being able to play, and they couldn't do that with Winger.

Man, talent's got nothing to do with being righteous. If ability to play were an issue, Slayer would have been the first to go.

I never liked Winger because they wrote weak-ass, soda-pop rock and danced around. Can Reb shred? Sure can, but I'm still not going to listen to Winger.

but I kind of like to go to concerts where there is good playing and more than 5% chicks in the crowd.

Not me. One's enough for me.

Reb is jealous cause he plays state fairs and Kirk is still world touring in european countries I could never hope to find on a map.

[guitarsjb]

Well, Gary, I'd say that's about as possible as the existence of a professional burglary crew working Western Tennessee who utilize flutes exclusively as warning signals!

:ROTF: :ROTF:

[Hellbat]

My friends band used to take a Joey Lawrence cardboard standup on stage and the singer would "make out" with him. Darts didn't properly capture the artistic expression...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfAuBXKbwDQ

[Endrik]

Reb is jealous cause he plays state fairs and Kirk is still world touring in european countries I could never hope to find on a map.

Reb is touring heavily with Whitesnake over here and they released chart topping live DVD.

[Grandturk]

Reb is touring heavily with Whitesnake over here and they released chart topping live DVD.

All that proves is the questionable taste in music favored by Europeans.