Reb beach bagging on hammet

[Twitch]

Skill is subjective. Dime was a very good soloist as seen on CFH, but after that he just noodled around with all sorts of weird shit that most would consider not technically correct. Was it because he sucked? Hell no, it was because for what ever reason thats how he wanted to play. Tom Morrello is much the same way. As long as it fits who cares how technical it is. BTW, never heard anyone "bag" on these two. Like I said earlier, dudes pussys sore.

[javert]

Too bad that Kirk is too much of a cool guy to talk shit about him but his lack of control over intonation is just irritating

Watching Some Kind of Monster, I found that Kirk came across as a really likable guy. He didn't seem to be part of all that petty shit going on.

[sevser]

Skill is skill...Not subjective. What is subjective is how YOU take it.

If you don't notice notes being played out of tune...You have poor pitch. If you just like it that way...well...your taste.

There are chromatics and intentional dissonant notes that can be used in very cool and tasty ways...

The two players you mention are great for this comparison...

Dime used cool and tasty dissonant and chromatic applications...probably just used his good ears.

Tom is a hack...he just Palin sucks and seems to be right there with Kirk.

Even Bruce Springsteen schooled him in a vid that was posted a short time ago...Tom uses all that delay for a reason!

[lerxstcat]

And dude, I can respect that KEA hit you hard in your formative years - but I was 25 when it came out and was already past that skill level, and I was not an angsty teen so it did nothing for me. RTL I could appreciate because they were starting to gel, and MOP I really loved because they fond their zone. But I was not a slavish Metallica fan because I hadn't tuned in at such an impressionable age. So when they started to decline again with AJFA, I said "Eh.... next?" You probably revere that album - because you drank the Kool-aid at 14. I understand, but I didn't do that.

Kirk was a cast member to you - the lead guitarist in a band you loved. The leading macho position in a metal band. He was the Ace Frehley of thrash, without a shiny silver-and-black spacesuit.

I was already a grown man, so I didn't buy into that teen belonging in the anti-culture thing. I heard Winger and said "Good singing, good playing, some sappy shit but lots of spandex-clad lovelies at the shows". It was the lighter side, why so serious all the time?

And Reb can play his fucking ass off, it's all good.

While KEA may not sound phenomenal to a newer generation, I was 14 when that record came out and it just blew away all the pop music that the masses listened to at the time, like U2 or The Cure, etc....it was just fast, heavy, raw, energetic, didn't have songs about chicks or falling in or out of love.......that's why a lot of people hold it in such reverence.

Sure there were a lot of similar choices at the time like Slayer, Venom, Megadeth, etc. on the underground scene and everyone has their favorite, but KEA was it for me and brings back wicked pissa memories everytime I listen to it.

Doesn't matter to me if Seek and Destroy is easier to play than Madaleine, it just crushes it as an iconic song in metal history.

[Endrik]

if skill is subjective than I can paint better than Matisse?

[Larz]

Lerxstcat.....Ha ha, I did like AJFA as well, Heeeeeeey Koolaid.

Dyer's Eve, Blackened, Frayed Ends of Sanity, Harvester of Sorrow? C'mon.

[khabibissell]

If you compare the two purely on ability, Reb wins hands down. Is this even a contest? Writing, technique, theory knowledge, etc... he wins easily and is justified in making the comments he has. If you listen to both player's work, its obvious that Reb still works on his playing and hasn't lost a step. Kirk's playing has gone downhill since Justice. For those of you that talk about songwriting, Kirk wasn't even a part of the Metallica songwriting team until Load/Reload/St. Anger. Prior to that, the big thing Kirk contributed was the main riff to Enter Sandman, and even that had to be honed by Lars and James (watch the classic albums episode featuring the Black Album).

When I was in my teens I though Hammet was great, but I've realized that he's really not. BUT he is a rich, famous guitar player so props to him for hanging in there and living a life I could only dream of having.

As far as Winger is concerned, I didn't really like them when they were "popular", but I do remember digging Seventeen. I though that solo was amazing. I was fortunate to see them a couple of years ago and they were EXCELLENT. Everybody in that band can play their ass off and they do have quite a few catchy songs. I was really impressed.

Though I mainly listen to hard rock/metal, I could care less about image or style when it comes to music... if it sounds good, it is good.

[tonemonster]

There is more to life than Metallica.

Are you sure?

[toxikdeth]

Agree ^^

Rich, maybe Kirk needs to go back & take lessons from Satriani again.

I wonder how he feels being Satriani's worst student. But then again I wonder how he feels being Joe's most successful.

[MakeAJazzNoiseHere]

Are you sure?

Well, there's pussy... And don't forget Buffalo Wings. :dunno:

[Twitch]

if skill is subjective than I can paint better than Matisse?

To different people that may very well be the case, thanks for illustrating my point.

[sevser]

To different people that may very well be the case, thanks for illustrating my point.

Actually...it doesn't...paint strokes are not measured in miliseconds, cents or intervals.

[khabibissell]

I dunno, Winger sounds heavier than alot of the late 80's bands that are praised around these parts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXU0gAnvfzk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZAG_aHRUMo&feature=related

[Venomboy]

+1 Khabibissell

Reb has an opinion. Most of us on this forum talk shit everyday about players, guitars, etc. GASP! Someone doesn't like Metallica. GASP! Reb was being sarcastic. GASP! He was in a lame band with talent. GASP! Paint goes on wet and dries!

[Rsmacker]

Someone like Vince Neil would have found Lars Ulrich and given him a sweep kick to the jaw ten years ago. End of story.

Not Vince Neil, I bet he never saw his feet for most of the 90s, fat cunt. Mind you, he'd have had plenty of volunteers to hold Mr Ulrich down while he belly splashed him.

Do I recall Reb Beach saying in a GW interview, oooh, about 20 years ago, that if he could go back in time and meet Jimi Hendrix, the thing he would say to him was "Tune your guitar"? It was him or Nuno.