Charvel vs. ESP - Levin vs. Lynch

[devastone]

I just listened to the solo in Dreams 3 times in a row, having trouble finding the problem with it, G has never played solos live note for note, but that sounds pretty dang close. It sounds much better than Don's vocals. As far as the George/Jon jam thing, I didn't know there was a set piece they were supposed to play, so I guess I'm just missing the problem here.

As far as being able to play anything you've recorded over the past 30 or so years note for note at the drop of a hat, I'm not sure I know of anyone that can.

But, whatever, IMHO, YMMV, I'm just a noob here and jumping out of this.

[atomic charvel guy]

got another parachute devastone? i;m with you, i;m out too and in agreement fully on the 30 year theory.

[devastone]

Sure bro', we'll go WINNING

This stuff isn't worth getting too worked up over...

[atomic charvel guy]

it's quite silly in fact, and it's made me a wee bit shaky, where's my joint?

that "WINNING" in my signature is a tribute to Charlie Sheen
If i was in shape, I could last partying with that guy easy.

[devastone]

Yep, got the Charlie reference, but I couldn't hang for 15 minutes

[VitaminG]

As far as being able to play anything you've recorded over the past 30 or so years note for note at the drop of a hat, I'm not sure I know of anyone that can.

too true. There's a reason bands will rehearse before they go on tour. Especially if they are bringing some golden oldie, not-played-live-for-years tunes into the set.

[lerxstcat]

As far as being able to play anything you've recorded over the past 30 or so years note for note at the drop of a hat, I'm not sure I know of anyone that can.

Go see Rush sometime and you'll see Alex do very close to that. And the solo to In My Dreams is one of the easy ones, if he couldn't nail that I'd really feel sorry for him. It just amazes me that people are happy to trash EVH for the same thing yet defend George, who plays out a lot more and you'd think would be on top of his shit more.

[atomic charvel guy]

Go see Rush sometime and you'll see Alex do very close to that. And the solo to In My Dreams is one of the easy ones, if he couldn't nail that I'd really feel sorry for him. It just amazes me that people are happy to trash EVH for the same thing yet defend George, who plays out a lot more and you'd think would be on top of his shit more.

Rush is as tight as they have ever been Rich, but i have this feeling that Alex Lifeson doesn't have half the shit to deal with that EVH and George do, or did. they tour all the time, i watched them on VH1 and they haven't missed a beat, but EVH has a new hip, his tongue cut out, he got a new head for Christmas last year, and then there's the alcohol abuse, i think booze is worse than any drug as far as wear and tear over the years. puts wrinkles on you ya know?
As far as george goes, i only know about the roids from reading on here. wait a second, I'm supposed to be parachuting out this debate with devatone, where'd he go? He stole my parachute!!, anyway, let's just say
George and EVH are both not up to par, but they don't have to be. They've both given alot already so they get a pass from me.

[devastone]

I don't trash EVH either, saw the reunion tour and it rocked! I've seen Rush numerous times, they are always spot on. Rush (and any touring band) does rehearsals before a tour and works out all the songs they are going to play, so yes, everything is fresh. I did watch the video and still don't see what was so bad about G's solo to IMD other than he was pretty low in the mix. G and EVH never play things note for note live, Alex is a different type of player, Rush is different music, but it's all good...

Dang, lost my 'chute too...

[lerxstcat]

Rush is as tight as they have ever been Rich, but i have this feeling that Alex Lifeson doesn't have half the shit to deal with that EVH and George do, or did. they tour all the time, i watched them on VH1 and they haven't missed a beat, but EVH has a new hip, his tongue cut out, he got a new head for Christmas last year, and then there's the alcohol abuse, i think booze is worse than any drug as far as wear and tear over the years. puts wrinkles on you ya know?
As far as george goes, i only know about the roids from reading on here. wait a second, I'm supposed to be parachuting out this debate with devatone, where'd he go? He stole my parachute!!, anyway, let's just say
George and EVH are both not up to par, but they don't have to be. They've both given alot already so they get a pass from me.

Hey, Alex does his share of drinking! Remember when he got busted with his son on New Year's Eve in Naples, FL a few years back?
The sherrif's deputies had to Tase Alex 6 times to subdue him, and his son several times too! I just dont want to go see someone and have to say, "Well, he kinda sucked, but you shoulda seen him in 1986!" Fuck that! It's not like they have anything else to do, if you play guitar for a living You've got all day every day to work on it.

[atomic charvel guy]

maybe if they tase eddie and george 6 times maybe they'll both start dealing again on guitar-lol
i'm with you Rich on the not wanting to go see one of your inspirations play and have it suck, that's why i made it
to the first van halen tour with sammy, saw them once and never ever went back again. Endrik was out here
visiting and he went to the Roth reunion show at the Staples center, and ol endy was fired up, i told him i'm
passing , i knew it would suck, and i just didn't have it in me to watch the mighty VH tank ya know?, and i saw them
from the 1st tour with sabbath and am a huge VH orig. lineup fav, but i saw some clips omn youtube of it and i knew i made the right call.
Endy was cool though, he's a young kid and had never gotten to see them so i could see why he was psyched to go.

[TheTranslator]

Who was the wrestler who killed his wife and kid, then himself, because he was whacked on steroids? Chris Benoit? A bit more than just irritability, I think.

But let's go with irritability. It inhibits your ability to concentrate and focus. If you are trying to practice some techniques you've gotten rusty on and you are jacked on 'roids, might you not get irritated that you can't play stuff you are used to doing with little effort? You might stop trying it, it irritates you so much, and that's the end of that. Seems plausible, at least.

Lerxstcat my brother,

Take it from someone who plays guitar and injected/ingested AAS as well.

The extreme " irritability" is usually prompted by a vexatious human. Irritation that escalates to the level of ROID-RAGE, as in the case of Chris Benoit, was more than likely fueled by ongoing personal issues that got out of hand - to put it lightly . Difficulty learning new (or re-learning old) licks DOES NOT cause irritation thus causing one to stop - frustration does, and as guitarists, we both know that drugs are not necessary for frustration to take place, and that's the end of that...

[lerxstcat]

Lerxstcat my brother,

Take it from someone who plays guitar and injected/ingested AAS as well.

The extreme " irritability" is usually prompted by a vexatious human. Irritation that escalates to the level of ROID-RAGE, as in the case of Chris Benoit, was more than likely fueled by ongoing personal issues that got out of hand - to put it lightly . Difficulty learning new (or re-learning old) licks DOES NOT cause irritation thus causing one to stop - frustration does, and as guitarists, we both know that drugs are not necessary for frustration to take place, and that's the end of that...

They may not be necessary, but they certainly do exacerbate the situation. If George was jacked up on steroids, and was trying to play things he wrote a few years back, and stumbling on the parts, well you can call it irritability or frustration or whatever you want. If he couldn't nail stuff he used to do in his sleep, he could well get fed up and stop trying. And maybe go beat his son's ass, the reason he gave for bodybuilding in Guitar For the Practicing Musician mag in 1991. He laughed but probably only half-jokingly. Roids fried Benoit's brain, and personal problems that might otherwise have been worked out led to a double murder-suicide. I don't know why the distinction is important to you unless you are currently juicing and don't want to blame the drugs when you lose your temper.

[lerxstcat]

maybe if they tase eddie and george 6 times maybe they'll both start dealing again on guitar-lol
i'm with you Rich on the not wanting to go see one of your inspirations play and have it suck, that's why i made it
to the first van halen tour with sammy, saw them once and never ever went back again. Endrik was out here
visiting and he went to the Roth reunion show at the Staples center, and ol endy was fired up, i told him i'm
passing , i knew it would suck, and i just didn't have it in me to watch the mighty VH tank ya know?, and i saw them
from the 1st tour with sabbath and am a huge VH orig. lineup fav, but i saw some clips omn youtube of it and i knew i made the right call.
Endy was cool though, he's a young kid and had never gotten to see them so i could see why he was psyched to go.

If you'd never seen 'em with Roth it would be worth it to go. I saw them on Fair Warning. A good friend of mine recently said "Greatest show on Earth - if you weren't there I can't explain it to ya". They were a true force of nature - well you saw 'em back then, you know! But you saying what you have about VH, that's what I feel about George today after seeing Dokken in 1986 at Irvine Meadows, headlining with Great White opening. He was ON FIRE that night, and I feel like he could still be that today, and he's just not. Makes me feel sorry for him more than anything, because he's NOT ate up like Eddie, I feel like he just doesn't care and that's even worse. Just my opinion and that's all, but if he cared and he busted his ass practicing, I feel like he could be better off than he is in so many ways. But it's his life and he's doing way better than me, so what the hell!

[TheTranslator]

Roids fried Benoit's brain, and personal problems that might otherwise have been worked out led to a double murder-suicide. I don't know why the distinction is important to you unless you are currently juicing and don't want to blame the drugs when you lose your temper.

Let me reiterate the fact that a person's actions towards you can induce temper, not something like practicing a stupid guitar. In the MANY times I've lost my temper while cycling, it was due to some sort of issue with another person, not from having a bad practice session. BTW, we're not talking about crack cocaine. Anabolic/Androgenic steroids can wreak havoc on your internal organs when used indiscriminately, but there's very little evidence that these prescription medications cause brain damage. Again; unless you've done them yourself, your fried-brain assertion is only half-baked as best...