New Korn album

[levantin]

This being a place where 80's shred and heavy metal rules supreme, I guess not many people are into Korn. Neither am I really, but I find Korn to be interesting production wise from time to time.

Case in point, the new Korn album. This time around they've worked with dubstep guys to make a nu metal/electronic hybrid. I've listened to the new single (link below) and I was wondering what you guys think of the direction they've taken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK8YSsjIaDs

Please no korn/nu metal/electronic sucks donkey balls type comments please, If you do think they suck donkey balls then why?

[Hellbat]

I think the Prodigy mastered this style of music 15 years ago. I don't see Korn bringing anything new to the table here.

[Endrik]

they've worked with dubstep guys

correction... brostep guys

dubstep is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95VhNNA18Eg


New Korn sucks donkey balls not because of the direction per se but because they worked with some of the worst electronic music producers I've ever heard. Skrillex has no taste or style. Horrible midrange cack. Just throws bunch of random annoying hi pitched sounds together.
This project isn't surprising at all though as in the states brostep became big mainly because fratboys and metalheads.

[horns666]

I can't say Korn sucks monkey balls? Well OK then..I won't.

On another note I bought two No Doubt CDs and The Cranberries CDs for a dollar..and I like them.

[Nimitz]

The Cranberries

[Animus]

Korn rules. I've liked them ever since there first album hit.

[levantin]

correction... brostep guys

dubstep is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95VhNNA18Eg


New Korn sucks donkey balls not because of the direction per se but because they worked with some of the worst electronic music producers I've ever heard. Skrillex has no taste or style. Horrible midrange cack. Just throws bunch of random annoying hi pitched sounds together.
This project isn't surprising at all though as in the states brostep became big mainly because fratboys and metalheads.

Endy can you recommend some electronic/metal stuff that you like? This is all very new to me and I'm interested in finding out.

I can't say Korn sucks monkey balls? Well OK then..I won't.

On another note I bought two No Doubt CDs and The Cranberries CDs for a dollar..and I like them.

You can say monkey balls, not donkey balls. In fact you can say anything. Balls:

[Endrik]

I guess the earliest prominent metal-electronica thing was the whole industrial thing, influenced by Throbbing Gristle, Einstürzende Neubauten and bands like that who had a very metallic sound. Bands like Ministry of course, ignore their very early material though. Godflesh is badass. Bands like Jesu and Scorn also kick ass. Some stuff by The Young Gods is great. White Zombie's "Astro Creep: 2000" is an amazing industrial metal album.
There's plenty of different metal and electronica fusions but most of them suck really bad in my opinion. Plenty in the extreme side of metal. There's riff-fest which often are very repetitive and then there's those horrible black metal/trance/ambient abominations. I don't even have to mention all the crabcore shit.
Some more avant-garde bands like Sunn O))) are pretty cool.

Bands with all kinds of metal stylistics have fused their stuff with electronica but mostly it's just very superficial in my opinion. Rarely someone takes the electronic style as the basis and then starts building on top of it.. a la Jungle/dnb drumming with Patera-ish riffs.
You'll rather see remixes made by producers who combine all kinds of beats with metal elements rather than metal bands doing it.

[Nimitz]

Zombie's "Astro Creep: 2000" is an amazing industrial metal album.

[Endrik]

This brostep thing for some is a perfect companion for metal as the distorted mid-range bass wobble substitutes for chugga guitar.
Dubstep has a really really low sub-bass with occasional wobbles, heavily influenced by jamaican dub music. Brostep doesn't have any dub elements.

Certainly something has to evolve, dubstep is about 10 years old, this itself evolved from 2step Garage and dnb in South London. While dubstep mostly is still pretty underground (but not as underground as Broken Beat which was born pretty much at the same time in West London from dnb and sounds cooler) and probably remain so then Post-Dubstep is the next big thing. This direction will rule the airwaves for years. Many of the highest selling pop divas are already using those elements in their music.

But brostep is post-dubstep gone horribly wrong.
It was started by Rusko who did a tune called "Cockney Thug" which appealed to fratboys and metalheads when he toured across the Atlantic. That kind of approach became huge in North America where very few produce actual dubstep. They took the idea further and started using very high pitched and distorted wobble basslines. Very metallic and robotic sounds. Most of it is utter crap.
The whole wobble thing isn't actually new. Some speed garage tunes used it... horrible abomination of 2step, the worst chav music there is. Even some really bad hard jump-up dnb used it at the same time when jungle had developed into intelligent electronic music made by Goldie or LTJ Bukem.


this is what Rusko now thinks of the whole affair

but not all hard bro/post-dubstep is bad
this tune has the rhythm which can fit into a Meshugghah tune and doesn't have the cheesiness of North American robot-fucking brostep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAbY2TVy7xQ
very few tunes that I like in this whole movement

[horns666]

Wow, not surprisngly Endy is naming alot of cool stuff I was thinking of..what about Minsistry? I have alot of pretty weird shit in my collection. Hmmm ..Industrial tinged stuff comes to mind like The Kovenant, Tiamat, Samael, mid-era Moonspell, mid-era The Gathering (big Anneke fanboy) is one of my faves, Theater of Tragedy toyed with industrial dance grooves, Rammstein always rocks, Strapping Young Lad's "city" was definitely inspired by Fear Factory, Godflesh "street cleaner" for sure..

But I'm getting more and more into weird avant-garde proggy shit myself like Hammers Of Misfortune, Unexpect, Isahn solo works, Peccatum, Devin Townsend projects, Dan Swano (must for Opeth fans) projects, Arcturus for certain, Winds, Solefald (listen to "buy my sperm"), Ewigkeit (pretty F'd up) , and *Enemies of The sun (awesome IMO), but their songs vary so don't judge the band by one song. In fact alot of these, obscure bands are like that.

OH..and Snoogans turned me onto Sleepy Time Gorilla Museum..their vids are pretty cool.


Back on topic, I'm not a Korn fan whatsoever. BUT I did like that sick animated vid they did a few years back. Don't know the song title of course...but I guess it wasn't bad for Korn.

[levantin]

Bands with all kinds of metal stylistics have fused their stuff with electronica but mostly it's just very superficial in my opinion. Rarely someone takes the electronic style as the basis and then starts building on top of it.. a la Jungle/dnb drumming with Patera-ish riffs.
You'll rather see remixes made by producers who combine all kinds of beats with metal elements rather than metal bands doing it.

Hit the nail on the head Endy. Of course I'm aware of the Industrial stuff, Fear Factory, SYL, Ministry, White Zombie and that sort of scene and I think some Neue Deutsch Harte bands come close really close to integrating rock and electronic styles successfully, but the newer electronic sounds of dubstep/brostep haven't really shown up in rock/metal yet.

I see what you mean about the dubstep/brostep thing, quite frankly Skrillex was the only guy I was aware of making this style of music, and I agree that the mid range wail of the brostep sound could work well in a metal band if done properly. On the Korn thing, I've given the track a few listens and it's like the electronic elements are mixed way higher than the guitar in most places. It sounds somewhat like a Skrillex song with Jonathan Davis singing. Still I'm interested in the rest of the album and if any other bands will follow with similar experiments.

Bill, by the way, when I think Covenant I think Nexus Polaris. I still listen to that album sometimes.

[horns666]

Oh Yes..Covenant. One of my favorites albums man. Carl August Tiedman is the guitarist on that..who's also in the bands Winds, and Arcturus. He's a great player IMO! But Tore Moren (Jorn) is on Sideshow Symphonies I believe. ..and yes he plays a Marshall JMP-1!!

Yes..I had to get that in there.

[Snoogans]

I can't say that I'm very keen on that Korn track - it sounds to me like generic The Matrix soundtrack stuff, which may have been cool ten years ago.
But what do I know? - I have no facial piercings and my pants fit properly!

[Devotee]

Anyone who thinks Brostep/Dubstep can work with Metal etc. should check out The Browning. This is music for the lowest common denominator, mixing Metalcore, Dubstep along with the cheesiest of Hardstyle, the result is something that makes me pray for nuclear war fast.

This is just getting out of hand.