Mustaine lip sync?

[sambencuda]

So I'm sitting her on a Sunday afternoon and I flip by HDNET which seems to have a ton of cool shows on lately, and a Megadeth show comes on from 2008. As I sit here working on my laptop, I'm thinking damn, this sounds unbelievably amazing for Dave. The band is sounds killer, but Dave almost sounds perfect. So I start watching closer and I swear he's singing to a track. The vocal is way to perfect and he keeps moving back from the mic and the vocal is still as loud no noise or anything. It's perfect. Then when he speaks in between songs it's totally different. Can it be?!?!??!!!?!?!?? I thought we only saw this kind of thing with pop and Nickleback. Forgive me if this is a wide known fact, but man. I mean come on. Makes me wonder if there are other tracks going on. Backups were perfect. Broderick is the man though. I was hung up on Friedman until now.

[Codex]

I believe that one they did the live recording then went back in and fixed things up by overdubbing vocals, solos, etc.
When we saw them last year, my buddy swears that they had a backing track going because certain things were too perfect like it was a recording.

[Axegrinder87]

The problem is, it's like steroids in sports. Whether it's wrong or not, those who remain "clean" can't compete.

[AdRock]

All of the HD Net concerts are like that. The vocals sound too perfect and clear in the mix. And you can easily tell that any crowd noise is being mixed into the final output. In my opinion, the people controlling the mix for the recording are trying to make it too pristine and that's what takes away from it.

The only one I've watched that sounded the way I would expect (and like) a live recording to sound was the 311 concert.

[Newc]

Because no one is that good.

Seriously? Ever hear of sending to a recording mixer and the house mixer at the same time so you can have a cleaner track for the recording than the audience gets? Come on, it's not always KISS Alive.

Besides, what you hear in a shitty outdoor p.a. is not as good as what's coming into it. You've got acoustics and diffusion and optimal speaker placement to deal with, plus the cabs themselves coloring the output. And digital video does not always sync perfectly with digital audio.

[javert]

I think Newc is right. Technically, you can do so many things now that you couldn't back in the 80s or even 90s (or at a much better quality). However, I also suspect that they change or even replace some things afterwards. Which show was this, by the way? I remember watching the Blood In The Water show and the mix, quality and sound was quite different from what previous Megadeth live DVDs. I wondered whether we were hearing some direct recording, pre- or even post-recorded stuff. As for Dave's voice, sometimes he can't sing at all, and I wouldn't blame him if he didn't want to release one of those shows and felt tempted to redo the vocals. Try searching for the Big Four Show at Ullevi last year on youtube.

[DonP]

Was that the Powerblock 2011 (or something similar)? I think I saw parts of that.

[sambencuda]

All I know is that it was 2008 in San Diego sometime before Jr came back. I've seen Megadeth live and live on video. Those times it sounded live. It was good, but you could tell it was live. Mustaine's voice wasn't perfect, but it was live. Thats the charm of playing live isn't it? This was definitely a canned vocal track at the very least. There was no delay in what he was singing. Sometimes his mouth wasn't moving and there was singing. Sometimes he was singing way off the mic and no level drop. And the backups where definitely tracked. Look, all in all it wasn't the record, but it was previously recorded. It sounded great, but it wasn't real.

[sambencuda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ECJWbHjoQ

This is the concert. You watch that and tell me he's actually singing. I call bullshit. Sometimes it doesn't even look like he's trying.

[Axewielder]

All of the HD Net concerts are like that. The vocals sound too perfect and clear in the mix. And you can easily tell that any crowd noise is being mixed into the final output.

This. I think Carnival of Sins was the same way. Everyone says Vince sucks live. Surely there was a live vocal performance at the live show, but what made it to the HD Net show sounded waaaaaay too good.

[charvelguy]

Actually, the entire sync is a slight bit off in parts. I would speculate due to multiple cameras? Dave is slightly flat (by a hair) on some of his phrasing. (caught a line) ..so its definitely live. Watch Broderick play the first solo, its also slightly off. You can really notice the timing isn't totally sync'd to the audio when he plays the transitioning @ 1:29. Watch it close, the audio is slightly ahead of the positioning changes. The key changes a whole step but his hand hasn't moved yet. The same goes for the two cymbal crashes @ 2:35, the video is like a second off from the audio. Maybe not even a second. Blink and you'd miss it.

Still having problems with posting on the forum...

[toejam]

Because no one is that good.

Seriously? Ever hear of sending to a recording mixer and the house mixer at the same time so you can have a cleaner track for the recording than the audience gets? Come on, it's not always KISS Alive.

Kiss Alive was also heavily overdubbed! http://www.nolifetilmetal.com/kissalivefacts.htm

[charvelguy]

I was thinking the same.. actually, there's a number of stories on that. According to Gene, there were minimal overdub to cover mistakes. But Eddie Kramer is reputed to have stated the only original live recording intact on the record is Ace's guitar.

[Trem]

Kiss Alive is a canned show. A lot of "live" videos, especially for Tv type specials are overdubbed, or audio OR video taken from another show prior ect, and all mixed together, it's nothing new nor surprising.

[javert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ECJWbHjoQ

This is the concert. You watch that and tell me he's actually singing. I call bullshit. Sometimes it doesn't even look like he's trying.

Yeah, that's the one I was talking about. It's called Blood in the Water.