George Lynch...Please stop! You're killin' me..hahhahhaa!!

[lerxstcat]

Eh, one could argue that without George Lynch Don wouldn't have much of a career. Look at how his solo album sold compared to the first Lynch Mob album. ;p

Don was the one with a record contract. Dokken would have been just as good with Warren Demartini or a host of other guitarists who might have joined. People sided with Lynch, Brown and Pilson's side of the story and thought Don was the bad guy. Meanwhile those three were doing tons of coke, and George was spitting on Don during shows. 3 of them were coked out and Don was a drunk, there were NO nice guys in that band, even though Pilson came off as such. And overall, even though he can't sing anymore, Don still has more of a career today than Lynch does. At least he can still make albums of new material instead of re-recording Dokken songs to try and get attention. And Dokken, even with everyone knowing Don can't sing anymore, STILL get better gigs than Lynch can. So whose career went better overall? I'd say Don's.

[SausageofPower]

Dude, no offense, but why are you so hard up on this? Don was doing a ton of blow himself, he says so. No one in that band was completely in the right, but...seriously. Don had a great, melodic vocal. George was one of the best guitarists to come out of the 80's. Was Don a better businessman? Sure. He got a record contact, admittedly with a song he didn't write, and used it to jump-start a career. Now he's only got Mick to contend with in terms of the split, and everyone else is a hired gun. Without George though, I honestly don't see Dokken having the success they had. That's why Don finally cracked and hired a mimic (who just happened to be his attorney), albeit a damned good one, after years of putting up a "I don't need George or anyone that plays like him" front.

And you're right. Re-recording Dokken songs to get attention is lame.

[Frigo89]

If Lynch retired after Sacred Groove, he would've gone down as a great guitar player.

But there has been almost 20 years since Sacred Groove. And LOTS of awful guitar noise coming from George.

Don shoulda kept Billy White...

[Hellbat]

Don shoulda kept Billy White...

So he could sing flamenco songs?

[horns666]

Billy White is fuggincredible! Hey Rich...and you dicks! I love you!

[SausageofPower]

If Lynch retired after Sacred Groove, he would've gone down as a great guitar player.

But there has been almost 20 years since Sacred Groove. And LOTS of awful guitar noise coming from George.

Don shoulda kept Billy White...

He tried, I believe. Dysfunctional was originally concieved as a Don Dokken solo effort. John Kalodner stepped in and turned it into a Dokken reunion (and refused to budge without George). That's why it sounds slightly disjointed, George's parts were written mostly after the songs were done. He just reworked them and added solos. Even then, I say it showcased some good playing (he was just more restricted than he was with Sacred Groove).

Then Shadowlife came and he...I dunno. Tried to match whatever was popular (which changes every 5 minutes) instead of staying true to his own shit. That was the end.

[horns666]

So he could sing flamenco songs?

What a great song..groove..feel...idea. Man, That really captivated my attention.

[fullmetalguitar]

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So I'm listening to this song and Ethan has some pretty killer tone, and of course chops. Then George's parts come in and wow, what crappy tone. I just don't get it. He's had awesome tone in the past. He has his own signature amps (that he doesn't use of course), signature pickups, and still his tone sucks. And on top of that, he gets blown away by a kid half his age. I wonder if he feels any shame at all or just doesn't care anymore.

[horns666]

He still needs to be George Lynch. He plays guitar,...and...and...ummm.. that's it.

There is moments of greatness in his playing. But, George Lynch developed a stuttering, ADD, tourettes-like style. It's not good.

[SausageofPower]

You nailed it. He just doesn't seem to care, really. There's no hunger there, not that I can see at least. It's really sad, if you're not gonna have fun with it and push yourself then just hang it up.

[METAL MANIAC]

:think:.........I just don't get it.

[lerxstcat]

Billy White is fuggincredible! Hey Rich...and you dicks! I love you!

I love you too, Bill!! And Billy White too!

We see this video with Ethan Brosh, and here's the deal. There are many guitarists who were influenced by Lynch in the same way many were influenced by Ace Frehley, when they were kids, but way surpassed their influences.

So Ethan Brosh asks George to play on his song and be in the video. George agrees, and Ethan is gonna be happy with WHATEVER George plays, because it's his hero, right? But GEORGE takes it as "I must still have it, because this kid shreds and HE likes what I'm doing!". That's how I see it, he has decided his shit is honey-flavored peanut butter and his fans will gobble it up! He is coasting on fumes and doesn't even know it!

[lerxstcat]

Dude, no offense, but why are you so hard up on this? Don was doing a ton of blow himself, he says so. No one in that band was completely in the right, but...seriously. Don had a great, melodic vocal. George was one of the best guitarists to come out of the 80's. Was Don a better businessman? Sure. He got a record contact, admittedly with a song he didn't write, and used it to jump-start a career. Now he's only got Mick to contend with in terms of the split, and everyone else is a hired gun. Without George though, I honestly don't see Dokken having the success they had. That's why Don finally cracked and hired a mimic (who just happened to be his attorney), albeit a damned good one, after years of putting up a "I don't need George or anyone that plays like him" front.

And you're right. Re-recording Dokken songs to get attention is lame.

I'm hard up because I have a different opinion than you? Sausage please!

Who cares if it was booze, or blow, or both? They were all fucked up, but 3 of them were trying to get rid of THE guy who got the record deal. Without which they would have all still been playing on the Strip getting outdrawn by Pair-a-Dice. Don did swipe the song, but Dieter Dierks was gonna do something for him regardless. He was lined up to replace Klaus Meine in Scorpions if his vocal chord surgery had not worked out. His backup vocals are all over the Blackout album. He WAS going somewhere, with or without George. Did anyone else from Xciter ever get anywhere? Maybe so, but not that I know of.

They're both pretty pathetic now, and admittedly Don is worse - yet he can still get better gigs than Lynch can. Why do you think that is?

T&N are doing a DOUBLE album of half Dokken covers and half new stuff. That's TWICE as much crap that won't sell! But by then Foreigner will be ready to tour again and so will Nugent. Leaving George out in the cold again.

[Hamner1]

Seems like a lot of back and forth on this thread. It seems strange to me. Bagging on GL & but putting EV, Gilbert, & others on a pedestal. I cannot tell you when Gilbert last put anything out. The new EVH album I think blows. YJM... has he put anything out since 1987? I will say the most recent Lynch Mob album I wasn't a big fan of. A couple of tunes were good & I'll leave it at that. But Kill All Control I think is a great album. Don may be doing better gigs, but I would say that is on the Dokken recognition, where as Lynch Mob never was in the public eye long enough to have the name recognition outside of 80's Metal enthusiast & guitarists. The video he was featured on I don't think was terrible. Did the kid outplay GL... sure but was that mostly due to degradation of skill or the fact it was the kids album not GL's? So it's this kids album/tune, did the kid write the song including GL's parts or was that something GL layed down in the studio? One more point to this, if it really sucked, I would think the kid would have ixnayed the tune or rerecorded GL's parts himself.

Now before I go get flamed for being a GL fanboy & sticking up for the guy. I'll be the 1st to say GL at 50 something is not the GL of his 20s-30s. But I don't think he is a scrub. Was Les Paul not being outplayed by the younger cats... YES, but who cares, it was Les F'n Paul. I say the same for GL. Although I am not a huge EVH fan I'll say the same for him. Would I pay to go see either play, hell yes unless I felt I was getting raked over the coals like KISS does to it's fans. That reminds me, has KISS put out any new material in the last 20 years. Maybe a tune or 2, but really it is a rehash of all the old material, that they still want you to pay top dollar for.

[Hamner1]

Oh yeah I forgot to mention the glove is ugly & distracting. Just saying.