George Lynch...Please stop! You're killin' me..hahhahhaa!!

[RacerX]

Jeff Poland is in his 50's (54, and seriously playing in his own league with Ohm - very high caliber)

Who's Jeff Poland? The guitarist in Ohm is Chris Poland - and yes, he still rocks hard.

[charvelguy]

Ya, I really was thinking that and I forgot to change that after I typed it. (I had to google it on wiki to be sure I had his age right) Glad you know who he is; its a rhaods thang. Resident correction is handy as usual.

Lynch was to do an appearance on The Public Record a couple years back. For unspecified reasons, (*It possibly had something to do with ESP) The deal fell through, but, that happened with a few artists.

Come to think of it. I haven't bought any Lynch album since Sacred Groove, but I at least can watch Youtube bashables. Why I came to argue the point in his favor, well.. its all rather "to much time on my hands"

I just dropped in to do some research.

[AdRock]

Look at it this way.

By comparison from then to now....

At least his playing isn't as bad as Don's singing.

[javert]

When that vid of Ed's late night tune in 5150 aired here, it got slagged 'o shit. So did the 'homeless look' of his party appearance for that flower shop. Schenker went the same route. Same happens with Gilbert at times.
Lather, rinse wash repeat.

Could you elaborate on this? I mean, I know what happened (several times) to Schenker, but Gilbert??

[fullmetalguitar]

Surely he means Gilbert Gottfried. No way he's talking about Paul Gilbert. Right?

[charvelguy]

Forget it. I have nothing but respect for Gilbert.

[javert]

Forget it. I have nothing but respect for Gilbert.

Come on, you can't tease us like that....

[Guitar Lawyer]

There was a day when GL was on top... http://youtu.be/CWntxpcq9FI

[charvelguy]

OK, you are missing the point. Its a statement made for a larger picture of what goes on outside of an artist sphere of creation, not for a specific event of a gilbert performance. The reference to Gilbert is simply that musicians get slagged regardless of skill or history whether it be on a forum or at a bar. I was having lunch with some local musicians, a bassist and a keyboardist about 2-3 months ago. Both gig regularly and FT in cover acts. The conversation came to a topic of guitarists and to Lukather, to which, it seems someone thought less than highly of Lukather and was referring to him as Pukeather.. he didn't elaborate as to why the perception was as such, and I didn't ask. Having seen some of the clips of jams from the 80's, there's something to be said about the seasoning of age in a player as well as how the times have changed. The bar has changed with the advent of so much information being freely available, so younger players will have an edge but I don't look at art/music being a contest altho one can set baselines of what to expect from 'art' as above par. Van Gogh could hardly sell his works while he was alive, but now is another story.

[javert]

OK, you are missing the point. Its a statement made for a larger picture of what goes on outside of an artist sphere of creation, not for a specific event of a gilbert performance. The reference to Gilbert is simply that musicians get slagged regardless of skill or history whether it be on a forum or at a bar.

But you lumped Gilbert in there with artists who have a long history of hitting rock bottom periodically. And what does commenting on piss poor performances (like showing up super drunk) have to do with slagging, isn't it allowed to have expectations when you pay good money for tickets? I've never heard anything in regard to Paul Gilbert having the kind of problems Schenker and Van Halen have had, though. Hence, my question.

[javert]

Charvelguy, I think we all understand that there's going to be ups and downs in a long career, and it's sad to witness the personal downfall of a guy you once admired and perhaps still do in some respects. But that doesn't mean we should just accept it and buy their stuff and expensive tickets. I also understand that a lot of these people may have no other options in life than to get up on stage even if it means embarrasing themselves. As for people slagging on other people for no reason, that's not really anything specific to music. That's something you can witness in life whenever people have success.

[horns666]

Charvelguy, I think we all understand that there's going to be ups and downs in a long career, and it's sad to witness the personal downfall of a guy you once admired and perhaps still do in some respects. But that doesn't mean we should just accept it and buy their stuff and expensive tickets. I also understand that a lot of these people may have no other options in life than to get up on stage even if it means embarrasing themselves. As for people slagging on other people for no reason, that's not really anything specific to music. That's something you can witness in life whenever people have success.

Yes. even yours truly ain't bad ass as once was. The mighty Dark Marsupial is starting to sag. I think I should try botox in the pud. But , my playing has aged gracefully...in my own perameters, and abilities. I was much faster then. But I hit less "bones" now..pun intended.

My wife is blatantly honest, because she can be..that's how they get back at you. If I ask her if I look pudgy in something ..she yells "youre' a fat fuck!!!"..like Tourettes Guy. She's heard me play since '84, and vicariously thru me knows more guitarists than most guitarists...as does my son. He's blossomed into an amazing player. I have this "tourettes" with him as well. I NEVER blew smoke up his ass. If I think something sucks or cool, I'll say it. These are facts. My wife always thought I was mean sometimes, and many would agree. But it made him a better player, drummer, bassist, guitars, keys..ect. He knows I'm sincere, and have his best interest at heart. He's 17, and I can't do what he does., and visa versa..but yet we sound the same???

With all that kinda bs background said. Some of my "heros" aged gracefully, and I make sure I support them buying their product. I will NOT support a has been. I will enjoy their works that encouraged me at that time. Like a time capsule, but I'm certainly not stuck in one. I've kept up with all the major players. Ironically, so does Uli Roth. Who KNOWS Jeff Loomis. Now how is that? He actually went to see him play in Frankfurt, Germany, and went to his hotel room to BS and show him lessons. Jeff gave him one of his spare Schecter sigs he had with him. Now that's cool!!! Who did Jeff have on his new solo record. Players like Marty Freidman, Chris Poland, Tony MacAlpine, and Attila Voros..an hungarian up and comer who joined NM before the split. A very young, humble, hungry Chris Broderick worshipped the ground Jeff walked on. I was there in the late 90's When Chris joined Jag Panzer, who replaced Joey Taffola and toured with Nevermore, and Iced Earth. Jeff could have took that Megadeth gig and became an instant name amoung players. He also turned down many amazing offers that would have thrown him to instant fame. Instead he chose to do his thing, much like Uli did decades ago. Those two have more in common than they realize. Both are my very favorite players.

I'd LOVE to see Paul Gilbert fuggin' up, so I know he's not an alien. I saw Schenker on that tour and he was incredible. I saw that vid of him stumbling around..that really sucked! But He had his V anchored between his legs and tearing shit up..note for note and then some. Sure, players have bad days. We're human..'cept for Paul Gilbert. I reall like to see him playing mediocre..that would make me happy.

George Lynch SUCKED since '95 or so, due to grunge, rap, trends, bad habbits, steroids, workin' out, family life, band drama ect....life itself. He hasn't put anything worth a shit out..'cept for equipment. Everyone and myself was slaggin' Eddie big time. But Ed is better than George from day one. It's not a secret..George knew it..everyone knew it. Ed changed Rock, gear, sound..and inspired more players than anyone. Even if you hate Ed, he touched you in many ways. period. Les Paul, and Hendrix are in that company as well. Ed is , was, still King. George Lynch is the King of Carpel Tunnel...until we hear and see otherwise. Until then, George Lynch is just one of MANY that put out killer albums in the 80's.

[horns666]

I stand corrected. George Lynch also put out KILLER material in '90, '92, and '93. That's 20..TWENTY years ago.

I was a total George Lynch fanboy, when I saw the above studio clip. I bought "Hot Guitarist" VHS to watch everyday....like a fag!

[charvelguy]

Valid points taken. That's some funny sh!t Bill.

bit off topic..
Went out to dinner the other night and they were playing 70's all throughout; you know, disco to hits of the day. Woke up the other day having "its the last song, I'll ever write for you" going through my head wondering what and where did I ever pick that up? Then it came back to me. Funny how the mind works. Every time I went to work they were playing some el banda sh!t you'd only hear at a mexican rodeo for 12 hours straight. Try having that going through your head as your trying to get some sleep @ 8am. That will have a tendency to mess with your guitar playing identity in as much as my incorporating weak spanish into my daily life as the a son of a German immigrant with a fairly strict upbringing.

There was a comment Yngwie made in an interview years back (think it was GP) that I thought was somewhat odd, where he advised that guitarists should "stop listening to other guitar players!", then went on as much to state "stop listening to me" which, by then I already had, so it was status quo. but we always want to know what these guys are up to as long as they get print eh? I think the point was to advise aspiring guitarists to stop indulging yourself in another guitarists playing so you could focus on developing your voice and own style. In actuality, its pretty valid philosophy which relates to Yngwie only listening to classical and his strict diet of Bach. So with the changing times, maybe Lynch has a bit of the matter being his identity is of another era, which now only transposes into clubs, whereas Yngwie went onto performing his spiel with composers and then clubs. Not like he hasn't gone through the ebb n flow as well. Now he just does tennis moves onstage at the House of Blues, but hey - he still can play in the same style as he did when he was 18-19 and making his mark known. Yngiwe says he's always improving, so I leave it at that. He's Yngwie F'n Malmsteen.

We know that VH is always writing, but staying in the vein is of marketability is tough enough let alone trying to stay on top as a paid performer. Which is why you have these bands/artists doing these 'combo' shows and 20th anniversary of said heyday album shows. Look at the whole Whiteny and MJ thing - tragic to say the least.
The odds are, there's a window of a bright to be seen as the comet burns its last and then plunges into the atmosphere, a fading image in the retina. Do we know that Gl is still writing? I don't know that for certain, but I wouldn't doubt it but I'm not in his skin or his close circle. Whether or not it goes to album and print is an entirely 'nother matter. So, he still performs live as a means of living. To the average listener, its probably a respectable throwback show. To the discerning musician who wants to be impressed, probably not as much.

Either way, if you don't care for it, I can understand that in as much as I don't care for listening to 12 hours of watered down; ahh wait no, make that tequila driven German beer drinking polkas.

[tonemonster]

I saw Lynch Mob a few weeks ago and GL was on fire! Awesome player!!!

Please tell me you didnt wear an argyle sweater to the show.