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[bratfink]

All That Remains was good old school melodic death.

You must be younger than me! These guys are about as old school as Justin Bieber! Old School Melodic Death is Entombed (LHP - Clandestine) or Carcass (Heartwork) etc. I have been trying to set up an old school death metal band for the last 2 years (a crossover between Brutal and Melodic) and all the guys that we have tried to jam with have had a really perverse idea of what old school and brutal are! What is it with you kids??? We show them some Sarcophagy and Gorgasm stuff as well as the classics and they have no idea how to get that heavy!

I liked the first 2 albums but they got progressively more mainstream in sound with each new album, I hope this one is heavier. Still talented guys though.

[jgcable]

Disgusting. They suck and every band that sounds like this currently sucks. Talented guys playing meedly meedly meedly dribble.

[Ward]

Disgusting. They suck and every band that sounds like this currently sucks. Talented guys playing meedly meedly meedly dribble.

[xenophobe]

You must be younger than me! These guys are about as old school as Justin Bieber! Old School Melodic Death is Entombed (LHP - Clandestine) or Carcass (Heartwork) etc. I have been trying to set up an old school death metal band for the last 2 years (a crossover between Brutal and Melodic) and all the guys that we have tried to jam with have had a really perverse idea of what old school and brutal are! What is it with you kids??? We show them some Sarcophagy and Gorgasm stuff as well as the classics and they have no idea how to get that heavy!

I liked the first 2 albums but they got progressively more mainstream in sound with each new album, I hope this one is heavier. Still talented guys though.

If you had an ounce of reading comprehension, you would have read where I stated "I haven't paid either any attention for like... a decade," :P

I meant old school Gothenburg. You know, they're as old as any of those other players... Dissection, Dark Tranquillity, The Haunted, Evergrey, Arch Enemy... are examples of bands that I like... In Flames, Opeth, Hypocrisy, and others I don't particularly care for.

I don't consider Carcass melodic death metal. The albums that matter are grindcore. I don't particularly care for melodic death either.

When I think old school death metal I think Immolation, Suffocation, Cryptopsy, Gorguts, Iniquity, Disgorge (both Mex and CA), Spawn of Possession, Malevolent Creation, Amorphis, Cancer, and many more. Yeah, they're not all technically death metal, but they are old school.

[VanHoosen]

I saw them open for Gwar when I was like 17 or something. The singer kept pelvic thrusting like he was on stage at a Chip-n-Dales, so me and my buddies started heckling the guy pretty bad. After the show he drove by in a van, popped his head out of the window, and yelled "FAGGOTS!" Que Beavis & Butthead-like laughter. "Butt munch!"

And that is my All That Remains story.

[horns666]

I saw them open for Gwar when I was like 17 or something. The singer kept pelvic thrusting like he was on stage at a Chip-n-Dales, so me and my buddies started heckling the guy pretty bad. After the show he drove by in a van, popped his head out of the window, and yelled "FAGGOTS!" Que Beavis & Butthead-like laughter. "Butt munch!"

And that is my All That Remains story.

Those are facts

BTW, Bullet for my Butthole called...something about pink eye, and..fuck you!

My kid (18), hangs around with other kids (16-20), that are "in-the-know-it-all click, "hipsters" I you will. They all look like Goth Justin Beiber with Heartagrams, and gayness. Well, everything they love have billions of hits on youtube. Three Days Grace with that fag from Killswitch Engage's Adam D..yeahh go Adam D..suck that cock! Then there's Parkway Drive....yeahhh boyee! Then there's Black Vail Brides....ohhhhh the cum! Then if you really want to kill babies..I'm mean real hardcore baby raping nazi fuggins..Chelsea Grin!! Chelsea Fuggin' Grin..ooooh yeahhhh..snap into a slim jim..like it's a dead baby!!!

Everything I love actually has 17 hits, maybe..sometimes 2 or 3..I guess I'm not hip..thank Lucifer!

Do you like stretch marks on jiggly, dimpled asses. Ya' know with cheeks that are darker inside, and dark between the fat thighs from rubbin' together. When they walk it sounds like Djent..Djent..Djent..I eat that shit! That's Welfare Porn. All That Remains is Welfare Metal!..fuck you

Ohhh I'm so hardco..see how I cut off the -re..REAL core..is co...just co..It's crazy now!

This announcement was typed and fucked up by Bill Z Bub. Sponsored by Ambien. "The Devil's Asprin".

[Devotee]

If you had an ounce of reading comprehension, you would have read where I stated "I haven't paid either any attention for like... a decade," :P

I meant old school Gothenburg. You know, they're as old as any of those other players... Dissection, Dark Tranquillity, The Haunted, Evergrey, Arch Enemy... are examples of bands that I like... In Flames, Opeth, Hypocrisy, and others I don't particularly care for.

I don't consider Carcass melodic death metal. The albums that matter are grindcore. I don't particularly care for melodic death either.

When I think old school death metal I think Immolation, Suffocation, Cryptopsy, Gorguts, Iniquity, Disgorge (both Mex and CA), Spawn of Possession, Malevolent Creation, Amorphis, Cancer, and many more. Yeah, they're not all technically death metal, but they are old school.

If "Heartwork" isn't a melodic Death Metal album i don't know what is. In addition to that, it's an amazing album and i'm the kind of guy who thinks the term 'Melodic Death Metal' is an oxymoron. Plus, how can you say "Necroticism..." is a Grindcore album? It has some Grinding bits but it's a far cry from "Reek of Putrefaction".

When i think of old-school Death Metal i think of Possessed, Death, Revenant, Incantation, Necrovore, Morbid Scream, Obituary, Morbid Angel, Nihilist/Entombed, Dismember, Merciless, Deicide, etc.. I would hardly call Iniquity, Cryptopsy, Gorguts or Disgorge 'old-school'...

EDIT: I can't believe i forgot to mention AUTOPSY!

[Endrik]

and i'm the kind of guy who thinks the term 'Melodic Death Metal' is an oxymoron.

not that I care about music which is labeled that way but can you explain why the term itself is an oxymoron

[warlok]

Wow.. This thread went a bit astray.. Hey Ward, I think All That Remains is pretty awesome.

[horns666]

Not Astray, You mean Askew. Like the way I wear a little brown derby hat on my penis. Astray means its blown away..now I gotta chase it.

arrrrhhhhhhhhhh.....I can never relax!

[Devotee]

not that I care about music which is labeled that way but can you explain why the term itself is an oxymoron

Sorry to derail the thread further but hey... For me, Death Metal is about DEATH, morbidity and darkness, not fruity melodies nor is it about br00tal technical wankery for the sake of showing how much of an amazing guitar player your are (Necrophagist, anyone?). You see, somewhere in the mid-90s Death Metal became an arms race to see who could shred the most technical riffs, tune the lowest and blastbeat the fastest and completely lost the original spirit that originated from old bands who were all about the darkness and atmosphere. Having said that though, i don't mind a lot of Melodic Death Metal.

[Endrik]

Sorry to derail the thread further but hey... For me, Death Metal is about DEATH, morbidity and darkness, not fruity melodies nor is it about br00tal technical wankery for the sake of showing how much of an amazing guitar player your are (Necrophagist, anyone?). You see, somewhere in the mid-90s Death Metal became an arms race to see who could shred the most technical riffs, tune the lowest and blastbeat the fastest and completely lost the original spirit that originated from old bands who were all about the darkness and atmosphere. Having said that though, i don't mind a lot of Melodic Death Metal.

Well, I don't see how "darkness" and all that is somehow anti-melody. Melody is melody. Fruity melody is a melody written with fruity aesthetics. From what I've seen when metal is described as melodic, it comes down to average joe/mainstream music listener understanding of what melody is. Simple diatonic lines, perhaps some very simple lead guitar harmonies (usually in 3rds) etc.
We live in period where Schoenberg and Webern present very old music. We are in Post-Boulez era and it's still surprising how understanding of melody is still limited by vague definitions by not only the polloi but musicians too.
Let's take crème de la crème of western music, 19th century Romanticism, the chase for perfection, full of music described as immensely melodic and beautiful. The supreme form - opera, what do we have, Wagner, lead voicing full of chromaticism and music resolving to dissonant chords. Even in lighter pieces which even the average joe may know... like "Carmen" by Bizet or "Otello" by Verdi. Or if we take instrumental music, melody has had so many different forms and characteristics for ages but if we stick to the 19th century and go from Chopin's piano pieces to Dvořák to for example the well known "Prélude à l'Après-midi d'un Faune" by Debussy where beautiful melody doesn't fall into some vague pop music definitions.
Melody can be melancholic, dark, it can wonder around and not resolve into any tonic center. Melody can be anything you want it to be.

Try finding the cuteness and fruitiness in one of the most well known orchestral melodies from the 20th century (the signature theme starting at 0:29)

[bratfink]

If you had an ounce of reading comprehension, you would have read where I stated "I haven't paid either any attention for like... a decade," :P

The irony of being told I don't have reading comprehension by someone who uses "like" in a written sentance!

Ok, to quote Billz: these are the facts:

Death Metal = A merging of Thrash Metal and Jazz techniques combined with cookie monster style vocals. Subject matter = death & subversive reglious views. Style originated in the US in the mid 80's. Tuning usually std or D. Re: Obituary, Morbid Angel, Autopsy etc.

Grindcore = A merging of Punk and New Wave British Heavy Metal combined with cookie monster style vocals. Subject matter = political unrest, racial and social issues, anti religion. Style originated in UK in early 80's. Tuning usually C or B. Re: Naplam Death, Early Carcass, Early Bolt Thrower.

Melodic Death = A merging of Heavy UK and US styles with Folk influences. Subject matter = viking mythology, anti religion, social issues, all of the above. Style originated in Scandinavia in the Mid 80's. Tuning usually C or B. Re: Early Entombed, Dismemeber, Carnage.

Anything after this is just a combination of all of the above. There are of course bands that transcend styles and excpetions to the rule, but these are the local scenes that emerged by the end of the 80's with their own distinctive styles.

What makes Carcass an interesting case is that Mike Amott came over to UK from Carnage in Sweeden. Thus changing the sound and direction of the band (and arguably the whole scene), this was a deliberate move by the other 3 members of the band to try and move the genre on. Hence Necroticism is a straight up death metal album, Heartwork is Melodic Death and Swansong is Rot n Roll.

The other chicken and egg case is did Bolt Thrower start writing more melodic sequences before the prevelance of the Scandinavian stuff and thus influence the sound of Melodic Death, or did they change their sound as a result of the Melodic scene?

The Gothenberg scene was secondary to the original sound in Scandinavia, Bands like At the Gates were really second generation and Arch Enemy is third gen. Although many of the original bands came from Gothenberg (Grave etc) the "Gothenberg Sound" was a distinctive break from the earlier stuff.

The US death metal scene could only get more extreme, in the 90's it factioned into 2 main groups. Those that wanted to grow the base and expand the horizon of the sound (Death etc) and those that wanted to stay true to the cause and get more brutal (Cannibal Corpse etc).

These days it's pretty hard to find any band that is still true to old school, everyone has heard too much other stuff and it will forever change the way we think about metal.

[Ward]

Wow.. This thread went a bit astray.. Hey Ward, I think All That Remains is pretty awesome.

I'm glad it went off the rails. Interesting discussion, and I'm learning quite a bit...

[VanHoosen]

Although many of the original bands came from Gothenberg (Grave etc) the "Gothenberg Sound" was a distinctive break from the earlier stuff.

I for one, have exclusively been listening to Grave's Into the Grave for the past 5 years, so I think that gives me the credentials to speak to this point - Grave are in fact from Visby on the eastern Swedish island of Gotland. That means they feed into Stockholm. People from Stockholm dislike people from Gothenburg because, as one incredibly intoxicated Swede once told me on a train, "they talk funny."

The true Gothenburg sound, in my opinion at least, is a combination of pissed-off early morning joggers and ringing ears after having passed out in a park from a night of heavy drinking. Oh to brown out again with Norrlands Guld. Those are memories I'll never get back.