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  • #16
    Re: Iommi Pick \'chirping\'

    Wow, a noise I've tried to eliminate all my life, and someone likes it! Hehehe... Cool.

    Alrighty, BIG Iommi clone here and I really labored over emulating that stuff to a T (jeez, what was I thinking?)... Lemme ponder...

    I'd say the pick noise is most of it. Watch pick hand and he doesn't articulate per the thumb and index/middle finger much, his movement is mostly at the wrist. When I do staccato picking, I mostly flex my thumb and index/middle fingers, he's moving his whole hand, and isn't all that fast because of that I think. It's just his style, and it sounds great though. The way his whole hand is rocking to get the stroke, it presents an odd angle for the pick attack on the strings. Like was said before, sorta sideways as opposed to the mel bay way, haha... and that makes most of the noise ESPECIALLY when down picking with a heavy hand on loose strings..

    Look at the odd way he holds the pick and how his hand rests over the strings. I find it interesting how he curls and tuck his ring and little fingers under, like a slight fist. I always emulated that as I thought it would look cool and you must have to do that to play good. Umm, It didn't do much for me though and I eventually altered my movement and picking style to a more intense Eddie VanHalen thing where you are not moving your hand much at the wrist and using your fingers more.

    I also have heard a noise that I think sometimes is the string actually being pushed against and hitting the pickup as they are detuned so much. Low strings, high pickup, and excessive attack for that situation, and your get it. Bill played my guitar once and was doing that to my EMGs, and wore grooves in the pickup... I was pissed...

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    • #17
      Re: Iommi Pick \'chirping\'

      Sorry about that John...I have all my pickups slightly lower just because I play with a heavy meat hook..probably all the bass playing..I can't help it..Poor John's Guitars ..when I play them either they are getting accousted by my heavy mits or the Dark Marsupial..

      Alot of Bassist get this same exact "chirp"...the bass strings slapping against the pups...geezer does is alot...Steve Harris does it constantly...

      It's a cool sound..
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      • #18
        Re: Iommi Pick \'chirping\'

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        • #19
          Re: Iommi Pick \'chirping\'

          8's tuned down to d or C on a short scale SG, probably helps alot too.

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          • #20
            Re: Iommi Pick \'chirping\'

            It's in the amount of treble as well. I had loads of chirping when I put my Bare Knuckle Warpig humbucker into my Mexican Strat through the trebly Fender Champ 30 combo crap. I had loads of it! Maybe, it's due to the scatterwound PU.
            I would put my money on the attack closer to the bridge. And remember: he used a Tune-o-matic

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            • #21
              Re: Iommi Pick \'chirping\'

              Bridge, guitar, string gage, and pickup have very little to do with it. Take it from someone who learned every Ozzy-era-Sabbath song front to back - it can be done on any electric guitar, with any gear (amp, pedals, rack, etc).
              Considering he didn't have today's high-gained amps, you don't need high gain, either.

              The 'secret' is the angle at which the pick crosses the strings. I know this for fact.

              As for Iommi's fretting-hand vibrato - he's pushing AND pulling the string to either side, which makes it faster.
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