THE JIMMY PAGE THREAD

[atomic charvel guy]

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well, i got some albums for you to listen to, they're instrumentals but they fukkin' cook. blow by blow, and
there and back. the best beck albums in my book. check 'em out.

[jwoods986]

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Oh, I know. I was into Beck around 86/87 and had blow by blow and wired on record (yes, vinyl!) and a copy of Truth on tape. I just picked up Truth on CD to get back into listening to him again.

[pro-fusion]

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Page was only sloppy in the later '70s when "the lifestyle" became an issue. Listen to live material from the first few Zeppelin tours--he was a pretty damn good lead player at that point. Not technical like a shredder, but hardly sloppy. And because he truly improvised his solos, there was always a bum note here and there, but that's the nature of improvisation. By the '77 tour, however, I will say that his live solos were pretty ragged. Of course, from the pictures, it looks like he only weighed about 80 lbs. by then--I'm amazed he could hold up a Les Paul, let alone play one all night.

What I find interesting is that even though his lead playing deteriorated as the '70s went on, his arrangements got better. There are, like, six different guitar parts on "Ten Years Gone,", but they are so subtle that it sounds more like one or two. Just try to pick that one apart sometime and you'll see what I mean.

[atomic charvel guy]

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i know darn well what you mean. that song is ridiculous, as is the rest of that album.

[SEEGERMANY]

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I grew up with Zep and Page was always a guitar hero. Sloppy, why yes, but so am I. As for Beck, he's another hero that just absolutely blows me away. It's always a crap shoot as to whether Jeff is going to be on or off. I saw him on A&E recently playing with B.B King and some of his stuff (licks) were just plain bad.

[bluebullet]

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jimmy page isnt just a guitar player he is a composer he is the mozart of rock. no one writes songs like him. maybe he is a little sloppy but every zeppelin song will stand the test of time.how many other musicians can say that.

[Endrik]

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Jimmy and Zep is great, absolutely the greatest rock band ever but did you know that zep ripped-off someone else songs and they did it a lot.

[RR0849]

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Someone once said that the only way Stairway To Heaven could have been better is if Hendrix had played the solo. I say the only way it could have been better is if Page re-recorded it with a USA Jackson! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[charvelguy]

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I realize you're making light as we're on a J/C forum. But playing it on the tele into a Fender made that solo. The note choice, the tone, the feel he had was just classic.
A signature, like Brain May playing his axe thru a bunch of Vox's. I think it would have been totally cool to hear Hendrix do a rendition of those tunes!
Anywho..I've said it before here, when I heard Since I've been lovin you, it just floored me, moreso than Heartbreaker, or Livin Lovin. Three was a great album and big influence. Then the Rain song, simply stated.. beautifully written and portrayed.

Page could take you from hard knocking, flat out in your face rock with blazing rifts or to Delta flavored Blues, to celtic flavored acoustic stuff...yeah, he was sloppy at times, (been in a few mild arguments over that) Obviously was a brilliant studio musician/composer too.. he was kinda the median bewteen as well as another element/catalyst of the chemistry between John Paul and Bonham, who were both brilliant writers/players in their respect as well...especially John Paul gets understanded. I was disappointed when they did not have him at the reunion shows- why they did that I do not know, and, from what I've read.. I suppose he does not either.

[pro-fusion]

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...especially John Paul gets understanded. I was disappointed when they did not have him at the reunion shows- why they did that I do not know, and, from what I've read.. I suppose he does not either.

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Money is usually at the heart of these things. Page/Plant said in interviews that they didn't invite Jones into it simply because they wanted to do something new, rather than a LZ reunion. However, that seems unlikely, given that they played about 95% Zeppelin material on tour--it would have been nice to have Jones involved in the tours, at least.

I agree that Jones' role as a LZ composer is highly underrated. From what I've read, he actually wrote a lot of the more rhythmically complicated guitar riffs in the band, like "Black Dog" or "The Ocean." I don't think Page is quite as riff-oriented as Jones--and the Page/Plant studio album from a few years back seems to bear that out. Page does seem to find those amazing chords, however, and back them up with outstanding arrangements.

[sevser]

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That solo gives me goosebumps every time. I have yet to hear that solo done better. The closes was Zakk Wyld with Lou Gramm but even Zakk fell short on the solo.

[Newc]

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Page is The Man. Period. I disagree with the comments about being sloppy, as that encompasses a lack of ability. He definitely had the ability, but he also knew what worked. If a few missed notes in the solo didn't kill the whole song, it worked.
We as fellow guitarists get a little too bogged down in technique and perfection, and it causes us to beat a song to death during recording because the solo isn't letter-perfect.
You gotta get beyond that and look at the song as a whole, then decide if the missed notes and such are working or not.

For something like Dream Theater or Yngwie, obviously, a missed note here and there would ruin the song, because that's pretty much Music For Musicians. Zeppelin was a totally different type of band.

And yes, they did borrow from classic blues tracks, as did everyone else, including the original Blues artists. BB King copped licks and melodies from other players just as much as Page did, but Page twisted them musically and presented them in a way the original artists could never have done. Plus, there's only so many valid Blues progressions and such before you get into other spin-off styles.

Listen to Robert Johnson's Travelin Riverside Blues compared to Zeppelin's version; Zep wins.
Listen to Muddy Waters' version of You Shook Me, then listen to Zeppelin's version; Zep wins.

I woulda loved to hear Zeppelin do Crossroads, but Clapton had already done that in Cream. Zeppelin coulda done it better.

Newc

[Top Jimmy B]

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Page is The Man. I woulda loved to hear Zeppelin do Crossroads, but Clapton had already done that in Cream. Zeppelin coulda done it better.Newc

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There you go redeeming yourself again. [img]/images/graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[charvelguy]

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Page was technically proficient. When I say sloppy, I mean his execution had a tendency to sound unclean. He'd be more focused on steppin' on the gas blazin ass and fishtailing than staying on the straight and narrow of a clean run. Yngwie has left clunkers in his takes and I've seen him do a few slop lines live too.. he usually just laughs and 'next!

You hear Lukather, I would not call him a slop player, but I have heard some live stuff from the 80's that definitely was not fully executed in a clean way.. it is just a matter of 'go for it' over perfection. In my taste, I overlook it..but yes, it is not musical perfection..it just slam dunk works w/o being pretty sometimes.

[Top Jimmy B]

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*Thread Hijack* Tom, your thing will be there Monday by noon. **