Who's Jake E. Lee? Should I die for asking this?

[Tetsuo]

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Sadly, Jake is kind of "the forgotten Ozzy guitarist", since he was only in Ozzy's band for about four years or so--and only played on two albums, one of which (The Ultimate Sin) Ozzy and Sharon have deleted from the catalog to avoid paying royalties to some of the band members.

Just based on his two albums with Ozzy, you'd have to conclude that Jake is a monster guitarist, but later on he also founded a great band called Badlands that put out a couple of really good albums. Jake is definitely a shredder, but he has a great bluesy feel to his playing that a lot of the '80s shredders didn't have.

Definitely an under-appreciated and under-recorded talent, though a lot of that is apparently his own fault in recent years.

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Is that true about The Ultimate Sin??? WOW!!!

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I would like confirmation on that too... That is in freakin sane if that is so...

[necrotechno]

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The guy between Randy and Zakk... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Actually, at least Gary Moore and Brad Gillis were sandwiched somewhere in there, too. Then if you wanna count Live Aid, you could also say Tony was a "guy between Randy and Zakk"... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[DTP]

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<font color="yellow">Thanks Man!!

I'm gonna have to start looking.... </font>

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All three of the Badlands CDs are great. The first one is a little more commercial sounding than the others. The second a little rawer and the third is essentially a slightly polished demo. Someone has re-released Dusk on CD and I found it online for like $14. I think it was on www.impulsemusic.com .

I listen to those CDs all the time. I burnt a copy just to leave in my car at all times. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I can't wait for his CD of covers to come out.

Jason

[DTP]

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Here's an awesome quote from Jeff Martin about Dusk:

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Talk about the recording of Dusk


Jeff Martin writes:

Dusk, or the tunes put on the album, were intended as demos for the next Badlands album after Voo Doo Hwy. We had worked up that group of tunes at rehearsals at Mates in North Hollywood two months before recording them at Good Night L.A by a friend of Ray's, Shea Baby.

It's all 24 track full studio recording, but we did it all in less than 6 to 8 hours. We put the Mic's up, made sure they worked and Go! We recorded them primarily for Atlantic Records to hear and give us a budget for the full recording of the same tunes, if they liked what we had. They did not like the direction of the songs, for what ever the reason. Some months later we were dropped from Atlantic.

At the time we were happy with that outcome and so was the Management, being that Atlantic was not doing anything for us anyway. We shopped new prospects.

Almost every song was one-take recordings. I remember having floor Tom mic problems where we stopped to fix it, then restarted a song. But all in all, one takes. Even some endings were a little funky on my end, but Jake just flagged it off and we go to the next tune. I think Jake is the only one who did not make one mistake...if he did I did not hear it.

Ray had about 50% of his lyrics together. The rest were what he called Jib-A-Jab. He would put a word or two on the front of a line and rest were all vowels. He was amazing at it, and most folks never could tell the difference. He would come up with his melody line by Jib-A-Jabbing. I think he had a harder time finding lyrics that fit his Jabbing, due to the timing and the percussive hooks he would come up with while scatting along.

Nothing on Dusk was fixed, that Ray did, obviously due to his passing before the putting together of the tracks. For him to sound like what you hear on the album one take each tune, still amazes me to no end. He was one you could say had true talent, pitch and tone.




Why did you record Dusk "live"??

If you wanted to hear what Badlands sounded like in room, where you could just sit and watch. No mirrors, no smoke, no Bullshit. That is Dusk.

The best thing we did together was play. The biz end and all that comes with it, was the hard part. I have a recording of a Radio show around Seattle called Bob's Garage where we actually set up in this guy's garage. We played a few tunes and then did an interview. I had come across that tape a few years back and it's so tight and squeaky, it hurts. Both tunes were our jamming tunes...that anything go's. It was banging. I do believe Bob's Garage was used to weed out false musicians and bands. We passed with flying colors.

If you got another deal....would you have released Dusk as is? made fixes or re-record all the songs and make a "real" album??

It would have been all re-recorded at a huge amount of money. Most likely with changes in the songs and different songs. Atlantic, or the person we had to deal with, Jason Flom, like to get his mitts on tunes and **** with them. Jake would not have any of that kind of Crap....one of the things I liked about him! Most likely why Atlantic jerked us around, we would not try to fit in to what ever band just made them alot of money and they thought it would be a good idea to follow........ but who know for sure.



Hope you Badlands fans enjoyed that....Imagine hearing most of that story, driving to the hardware story!


One thing I must comment about Dusk is a vision I see in my mind every time some brings up the project or I listen to it myself.

During the begining of the song Sun Red Sun, while Jake was doing the intro, I could see Ray in the Vocal booth through a glass partition sitting on a stool giving me that charismatic smile of his. His arm held out in front of him and running his index finger back and forth across ten or twelve thin silver Indian bracelets he always wore.

That's the chimes you hear in the track.

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Hope you liked.

Jason

BTW: Jeff was the drummer on VooDoo Highway and Dusk as well as the singer for Racer X.

[siggy14]

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The guy between Randy and Zakk... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Actually, at least Gary Moore and Brad Gillis were sandwiched somewhere in there, too. Then if you wanna count Live Aid, you could also say Tony was a "guy between Randy and Zakk"... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Yeah on recorded albums however Brad was right there before Jake, he did the "speak of the devil" CD which was basically old live black sabbath songs!

[442w30]

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I want speak of the devil on DVD, I wore out the video tape of that, and now can't find it. I'm too lazy fo load the P2P software too [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I saw Metallica (MOP - Cliff Burton [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] ) Open for Ozzy with Jake on guitar. It was probably the best show I've seen.

Ironically, Ozzy looked much more alert and healthy on Ozzfest 2004 (tied for the greatest show I;ve ever seen) than he did in 1986!

I didn't care for a lot of bark at the moon and ultimate sin material, but I gotta say, I don't think it was Jake's fault cause in my opinion Ozzy's material went downhill from there - Even though I like Zakk.
Ozzy has to be the luckiest guy on earth to have worked with these guys - Tony, Randy, Jake, Gary Moore (I didn't see that), Brad Gillis, Jake, Zakk [img]/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]
For what he has done to himself and really limited vocal talent, he has had an incredible cast now that I think about it.

[vitovanhalen]

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Bernie Torme finished the diary tour before Gillis jumped in.

[SeventhSon]

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Anyone remember the rumor about Ozzy kicking one of his replacement guitarists in the balls during a concert?

[No Use]

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wow, sounds like Jake was right when he said "...it feels like all the musicians in the world have been in one of those two bands (Ozzy and Sabbath)", with all these guitar players' names being dropped in with Ozzy.

[kennslp]

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Count me in as another Jake fan...The Ozzy stuff is cool (Spent many an hour trying to learn 'Bark at the Moon' back in the day...)but Badlands is where he shines. I love all three albums, but Dusk just has a 'rawness' about it that I really enjoy. I love the way Jake mixes his bluesy influences w/ the more shredding type stuff. All three Badlands albums are MUST HAVES!!

-Kenn

[Badseed]

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Sadly, Jake is kind of "the forgotten Ozzy guitarist", since he was only in Ozzy's band for about four years or so--and only played on two albums, one of which (The Ultimate Sin) Ozzy and Sharon have deleted from the catalog to avoid paying royalties to some of the band members.

Just based on his two albums with Ozzy, you'd have to conclude that Jake is a monster guitarist, but later on he also founded a great band called Badlands that put out a couple of really good albums. Jake is definitely a shredder, but he has a great bluesy feel to his playing that a lot of the '80s shredders didn't have.

Definitely an under-appreciated and under-recorded talent, though a lot of that is apparently his own fault in recent years.

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Is that true about The Ultimate Sin??? WOW!!!

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True as true can be.Jake sold his rights to the songs to ozzy for 300k. Phil soussan wanted more for the rights to shot in the dark.Rather then pay him for one of ozzys highest charting singles of all time, they deleted it completely when they did the reissues.
Not only that, but they replaced the original bass and drums on Bark at the moon cd.Erased 4 of the 5 solos on rock and roll rebel, pro tooled the in intro.And i swear i hear some zakk in the scratch tracks on rnr rebel. It was after buying that reissue that i lost all respect of the osbournes.

[toejam]

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Jake was the best guitarist Ozzy ever had! [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

[toejam]

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Bernie Torme finished the diary tour before Gillis jumped in.

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Yep. And after Zakk left for a brief period in the late '90s, Joe Holmes took his place on tour (I saw him on Ozzfest, he was awesome!) Joe was supposed to write and record with Ozzy, but then Ozzy decided to get Zakk back. Joe was also a student of Randy Rhoads and played in Lizzy Borden.

[Brad]

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&lt;---------- My Avatar. Jake is a God.

[Robotechnology]

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My fave Ozzy CD is Bark at the Moon. I was just listening to Voodoo Highway last night. Jake rules!